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Footystats Diary
Footy's best kept secret ...

Last Update: February 8, 2003

Martin Windsor-Black
Pertinent Observations ...
and other interesting trivia

IN THE ARCHIVES
<>  Match Results, every game in 2002
<>  Key Stats of Season 2002
<>  Best of the Best, 1897-2002
<>  Tribunal – 2003, 2002, 2001
<> Matches Played at 36 venues, 1897-2002
<> All–Time League Match Records, 1897–2002
includes 1997-2002 16-club Match Records and Rankings

 

Saturday, February 8

Strictly for statophiles
Matches decided by 18, 12 and 6 points or less
1897-2002

MARTIN WINDSOR-BLACK has extended the work recently presented by BRUCE KENNEDY on matches decided by 18 points or less.

Bruce used the time span of 1960-2002, while MWB has delved further back to embrace the 1897-2002, for the matches in margins or 18pts, 12pts and 6pts or less.

*Footy Works* from Sorensen Technologies was the validating source of MWB's initiative.

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Games decided by 18 points or less (1960-2002)
sorted by match ratio

P

(N)

W

(N)

L

(N)

D

(N)

Win %
PA 41 19 26 11 12 6 3 2 67.07%
Car 328 17 186 10 131 7 11 0 58.38%
Ess 343 30 179 14 150 13 14 3 54.23%
Haw 305 29 160 15 140 14 5 0 53.28%
Rch 292 26 151 15 133 10 8 1 53.08%
Gee 342 22 174 11 159 10 9 1 52.19%
NMK 330 57 164 35 156 22 10 0 51.21%
Ade 88 43 44 26 43 17 1 0 50.57%
Col 354 22 171 11 172 11 11 0 49.86%
Mel 312 18 148 5 161 13 3 0 47.92%
Fit 243 6 114 3 125 3 4 0 47.74%
Wce 107 35 49 15 55 18 3 2 47.20%
FWB 337 23 153 7 172 15 12 1 47.18%
Fre 45 15 21 7 24 8 0 0 46.67%
SMS 299 32 127 14 164 16 8 2 43.81%
Bri 94 26 37 10 53 14 4 2 41.49%
StK 310 24 123 5 177 17 10 2 41.29%
Uni 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00%

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I have created the same lists for 1897-2002.
Sydney's next loss by 18 points or less will be their 400th – the first club to reach this milestone.

Games decided by 18 points or less, 1897-2002

P

(N)

W

(N)

L

(N)

D

(N)

Win %
PA 41 19 26 11 12 6 3 2 67.07%
Car 849 17 467 10 352 7 30 0 56.77%
Col 837 22 438 11 375 11 24 0 53.76%
Rch 680 26 346 15 317 10 17 1 52.13%
Ess 837 30 416 14 390 13 31 3 51.55%
Ade 88 43 44 26 43 17 1 0 50.57%
Mel 769 18 375 5 376 13 18 0 49.93%
Fit 744 6 355 3 364 3 25 0 49.40%
NMK 576 57 276 35 286 22 14 0 49.13%
SMS 804 32 385 14 399 16 20 2 49.13%
Gee 770 22 367 11 385 10 18 1 48.83%
Haw 526 29 245 15 272 14 9 0 47.43%
FWB 623 23 285 7 319 15 19 1 47.27%
Wce 107 35 49 15 55 18 3 2 47.20%
Fre 45 15 21 7 24 8 0 0 46.67%
StK 687 24 283 5 382 17 22 2 42.79%
Bri 94 26 37 10 53 14 4 2 41.49%
Uni 39 0 13 0 24 0 2 0 35.90%

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Games decided by 12 points or less, 1897-2002

P

(N)

W

(N)

L

(N)

D

(N)

Win %
PA 31 13 20 7 8 4 3 2 69.35%
Car 605 11 313 6 262 5 30 0 54.21%
Rch 473 18 240 9 216 8 17 1 52.54%
Col 581 16 293 8 264 8 24 0 52.50%
Ess 576 22 286 9 259 10 31 3 52.34%
Ade 65 32 33 19 31 13 1 0 51.54%
Mel 522 13 253 2 251 11 18 0 50.19%
Gee 525 18 254 10 253 7 18 1 50.10%
NMK 395 39 189 26 192 13 14 0 49.62%
Haw 364 22 175 12 180 10 9 0 49.31%
SMS 564 26 265 13 279 11 20 2 48.76%
Fit 515 4 235 1 255 3 25 0 48.06%
FWB 420 17 190 5 211 11 19 1 47.50%
Fre 29 8 13 3 16 5 0 0 44.83%
StK 472 16 198 4 252 10 22 2 44.28%
Wce 67 22 28 10 36 10 3 2 44.03%
Bri 58 17 23 5 31 10 4 2 43.10%
Uni 24 0 5 0 17 0 2 0 25.00%

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Games decided by 6 points or less, 1897-2002

P

(N)

W

(N)

L

(N)

D

(N)

Win %
PA 14 9 9 5 2 2 3 2 75.00%
Ess 309 14 158 6 120 5 31 3 56.15%
Rch 254 9 129 5 108 3 17 1 54.13%
NMK 221 20 109 13 98 7 14 0 52.49%
Gee 270 7 132 3 120 3 18 1 52.22%
Car 349 6 164 5 155 1 30 0 51.29%
Col 298 9 136 5 138 4 24 0 49.66%
Haw 187 13 88 7 90 6 9 0 49.47%
Fit 269 3 119 0 125 3 25 0 48.88%
FWB 233 12 103 2 111 9 19 1 48.28%
Mel 278 9 125 2 135 7 18 0 48.20%
Fre 19 5 9 3 10 2 0 0 47.37%
Ade 31 19 14 10 16 9 1 0 46.77%
SMS 316 13 137 6 159 5 20 2 46.52%

Bri

 31 11 12 4 15 5 4 2 45.16%
StK 235 11 94 2 119 7 22 2 44.68%
Wce 44 12 14 5 27 5 3 2 35.23%
Uni 12 0 3 0 7 0 2 0 33.33%
Wednesday, February 5

Strictly for statophiles

I sourced much of the following from *Footy Works* by Sorensen Technologies.

Port Adelaide have the longest winning sequence in the night series.

 (Actually 2 of Port Adelaide's night series wins were played during the day, so to be pedantic, they share the most consecutive night series matches under lights with Hawthorn).

Another question to ask is "Which club has the longest losing sequence"?

Answer: Fitzroy lost 8 consecutive matches between 1961 and 1968.  5 teams have lost 6 consecutively - Collingwood between 1988 and 1993, Collingwood again between 1996 and 2000, Essendon between 1967 and 1978 and again between 2001 and 2002*(still going), and St.Kilda between 1985 and 1990.

And the most consecutive wins by one team over another?

Hawthorn has remained unbeaten against North Melbourne/Kangaroos since the 1968 Grand Final.  Since then the Hawks have won 9 times (including the 1976 NFL Grand Final).  North's last win was in the 1966 Grand Final.  The next highest streak is 5 wins shared by Essendon over West Coast (1987-2000*), Hawthorn over Carlton (1966-1994*), North Melbourne over Collingwood (1957-1986), North Melbourne over Melbourne (1967-1991*) and North Melbourne over St.Kilda (1978-1998).  *Streak still continuing.

West Coast are yet to win against the Bombers,  Carlton have never beaten Hawthorn.  The Demons have yet to beat the Kangaroos.

Collingwood ended their losing streak against North in the opening round of the 1988 competition and St.Kilda had their first win against the Roos in the 1999 Quarter Finals.
  • Richmond and Melbourne have met 6 times.  Melbourne won all 4 first round encounters whilst Richmond won both round 3 encounters
  • In the derbies, West Coast and Fremantle have only met once as has Adelaide and Port Adelaide.  (West Coast and Port the winners)
  • Hawthorn have not beaten St.Kilda since 1981 although they have met just once in 1996.
  • Essendon and Kangaroos have met 7 times but have not met in the opening round since 1961.  There last 4 meetings were either Quarter Finals or Grand Finals
  • Sydney and Brisbane meet for the 3rd time - Sydney have won both prior meeings - in 1987 at the SCG and in 2000 at Cazaly Oval/Stadium in Cairns.
  • The Cats and the Dogs meet for the first time since 1998 - which the Bulldogs won (Geelong scored 81).  Geelong won the previous two meetings in 1957 and 1959.
  • Carlton have won all 3 matches against Collingwood (in 1990, 1996 and NYE 2000)

As you know there will be a 9pts awarded for goals outside the 50m arc, so I decided to do a little bit of my own investigation.  I have the goals scored by distance (0-15, 15-30, 30-40, 40-50 and 50+) for all the matches in 2001 - except for Round 16.  I did not collect these stats last year.  My analysis of the 177 games follows

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Gnd 0-15 metres 15-30 metres 30-40 metres 40-50 metres 50+ metres
Gms Gls Gls
Gms		 % Gls Gls
Gms		 % Gls Gls
Gms		 % Gls Gls
Gms		 % Gls Gls
Gms		 %
BCG 13 66 5.08 17.1 80 6.15 20.7 74 5.69 19.1 120 9.23 31.0 47 3.62 12.1
Dok 43 210 4.88 1.53 269 6.25 19.6 204 4.74 14.9 524 12.19 38.2 165 3.84 12.0
FP 22 79 3.59 13.9 107 4.86 18.8 119 5.41 21.0 213 9.68 37.5 50 2.27 8.8
KP 7 30 4.29 17.0 31 4.43 17.6 29 4.14 16.5 68 9.71 38.6 18 2.57 10.2
Man 3 19 6.33 22.1 22 7.33 25.6 21 7.00 24.4 20 6.67 23.3 4 1.33 4.7
MCG 46 190 4.13 15.3 267 5.80 21.5 190 4.13 15.3 442 9.61 35.6 152 3.30 12.2
PP 8 37 4.63 17.2 49 6.13 22.8 45 5.63 20.9 65 8.13 30.2 19 2.38 8.8
S 21 119 5.67 20.1 130 6.19 22.0 79 3.76 13.4 206 9.81 34.9 57 2.71 9.6
SCG 13 65 5.00 19.0 58 4.46 16.9 66 5.08 19.2 107 8.23 31.2 47 3.62 13.7
YPL 1 4 4.00 14.3 7 7.00 25.0 3 3.00 10.7 11 11.00 39.3 3 3.00 10.7

TOTAL

 177 819 4.63 16.4 1020 6.57 20.4 830 4.69 16.6 1776 10.03 35.5 562 3.18 11.2

So from this table you can see that there was on average 3.18 goals per game from outside 50m+ with the most scored at the Docklands (3.84 per game).  On average there were 13.21 goals scored outside 40m with 16.03 scored at the Docklands and 8.00 at Manuka.  13.7% of goals scored at the SCG were from outside 50m compared with just 4.7% at Manuka.

The majority of goals were scored between 40 and 50m - just over 10 goals per game compared with the next best of 5.76 between 15 and 30m.

An interesting set of numbers!

I also stumbled across a coincidence in Round 11.  On Saturday 9 Jun at FP, 33 goals were scored in the Ade v WB.  The following day (Sun 10) at the Docklands (DUC), 33 goals were also scored in the NM v Fre match.  The breakdown of goals scored by distance was identical in both matches - 0-15: 7, 15-30: 3, 30-40: 5, 40-50: 15, 50+: 3.  It was the only pairing of matches in the entire year with identical breakdowns.

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Tuesday, December 24

Strictly for statophiles
MWB looks back at the draft

MARTIN WINDSOR-BLACK writes: St.Kilda's round 4 pass in Friday's (20th) 65 second pre-season draft may have been the 100th draft pick not utilised.

This was the first time that more than 50% of the draft picks were *passed* 9/14 = 64.28%.

By my reckoning there have now been 101 draft picks not utilised – 72 in the National Draft, 22 in the pre-season and 7 in the mid-season.

I have broken the above 101 into total number by club – and the results below are very interesting indeed.

Draft picks not utilised (including draft picks forfeited due to a breach of salary cap*)

St Kilda 22
Richmond 13
Fremantle 12
Adelaide 8
Carlton 6
Sydney 6
Brisbane 5
Hawthorn 5
Melbourne 5
West.B'dogs 4
Essendon 4*
NM-Kangaroos 3
Port Adelaide 3
Collingwood 2
West Coast 2*
Geelong 1
101*

**This includes Essendon's 1996 national draft selection #40 and West Coast's 1998 national draft selection #42 - both of which were *'forfeited* due to breach of salary cap rules. So it could be argued that there have only been 99 draft picks unutilised and that the next *pass* could be counted as number 100.

St.Kilda's breakdown of 22 draft picks not utilised by draft ...
1991 Mid-season: 2
1998 Pre-Season: 1
2000 National: 3
2001 Pre-season: 1
2001 National: 3
2002 Pre-season: 3
2002 National: 5
2003 Pre-season: 4

The first 664 draft picks were utilised until Melbourne passed selection 56 in the 1991 pre-season draft.

Of the last 235 draft picks there have been 61 passed over – almost 26.0%.

In the first 1066 draft picks in the National Draft - the only draft picks which were passed were Fremantle's last 6 picks in the 1994 National Draft - which they used to pick up uncontracted players in the 1995 pre-season draft (Andrew Wills, Jason Norrish, Brendan Krummel, Peter Mann, Stephen O'Reilly and Todd Ridley) - this equates to a rate of about 0.6%.

Compare this with 48 draft picks not utilised in the past 201 National Draft selections at a rate of 23.9%.

The national draft picks not utilised have generally been passed to the pre-season draft.

December 24
"Pajama footy" will produce new scorelines

When the 2003 Wizard Cup pre-season competition gets under way on February 21, the innovation of nine points for a goal kicked outside of 50m, and three points for a rushed behind will produce new scorelines not seen in the past 106 seasons of League football.

Remembering provision must now be made for 9pts, 6pts, 3pts and one point, the four-quarter scorecard will look like this –

COL 0.2.3.2 – 23 1.3.3.5 – 41 1.6.3.7 – 61 1.8.4.10 – 79
RCH 1.1.1.5 – 23 1.2.4.7 – 40 1.4.5.10 – 58 1.5.6.11 – 68

December 14
November 26, 2002

Martin Windsor–Black
Reviewing the 2002 National Draft

Question – Which one of these was a number one draft pick at Sydney in the National Draft?  Darren Gaspar, Richard Osborne, Dermott Brereton, Paul Roos and Matthew Ahmat.

Answer: Although they were all number one draft picks by Sydney, only Darren Gaspar was the only number one in the *National Draft*.

This year has seen the least number of draftees for almost 10 years.  69 players were drafted - the least since 66 players in 1993. Also, the number of *passes* (19) has been the highest ever and it has been rising over the last couple of years.

The following is a summary of the National Draft since it's inception in 1986.  There have been a total of 1,530 draft picks of which 69 have not been utilised.

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Year Selections

passes

 # 1 draftee Total Gms
1986    65 Martin Leslie Bri 107
1987    65 Richard Lounder Rch 4
1988    112 Alex McDonald Haw 46
1989    116 Anthony Banik Rch 49
1990    94 Stephen Hooper Gee 21
1991    89 John Hutton Bri 18
1992    124 Drew Banfield* WC 193
1993    66 Darren Gaspar Syd 21
1994    97 6 Jeff White Fre 32
1995    77 Clive Waterhouse* Fre 19
1996    90 1 Michael S Gardiner* WC 93
1997    86 3 Travis Johnstone* Mel 69
1998    91 8 Des Headland* Bri 52
1999    93 6 Josh Fraser* Col 67
2000    87 13 Nick Riewoldt* StK 28
2001    90 16 Luke Hodge* Haw 15
2002    88 19 Brendon Goddard StK -
1530 72 * still on 2002 team list 834

Here is the sumary of the pre-season draft which has almost been reduced to insignificance in the last couple of years.

Pre-season draft
Year Selections

passes

 # 1
1989    56 Brian Winton StK 5
1990    56 David Cloke Rch 43
1991    59 1 Michael McLean Bri 88
1992    56 1 Ashley Green Bri 23
1993    81 Richard Osborne Syd 16
1994    39 Dermott Brereton Syd 7
1995    37 1 Paul Roos Syd 87
1996    22 Brian McInnes Fit 0
1997    21 1 Stephen Paxman* PA 215
1998    14 3 Jamie Shanahan Mel 37
1999    16 2 David Calthorpe Bri 9
2000    15 Shane O'Bree* Col 81
2001    12 1 Brett Voss* StK 41
2002    8 3 not utilised StK -
492 13

652

Note: There were only 8 picks in the 2002 pre-season draft of which only 5 were utilised.  The 3 passes all came from St Kilda. The #2 draft pick was from Geelong who drafted Aaron Lord (from Hawthorn) who played 17 games in 2002 after playing 32 games previously at Geelong between 1994 and 1996.  Hawthorn traded Tim Hargreaves for Lord and he played 93 games in the brown and gold between 1997 and 2001.

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There have been 4 mid-season drafts. There has been speculation that this may be revived  (Brad Hardie was the last player to be drafted Mid-season  (by Sydney - pick # 32), however he never played a senior game for the Swans.  Daryn Cresswell is the only 200 game player from the mid-season draft.

 The summary is as follows:

Mid-season draft
Year Selections

passes

 # 1
1990    45 Laurie Schache Bri 29
1991    44 6 Ashley Byrne Bri 0
1992    49 John Parker Bri 3
1993    32 1 Matthew Ahmat Syd 2
170 7 34

With Carlton losing the first two draft picks as a result of their salary cap breaches, this only had the effect of them picking up selections later in the draft.  One wonders if this has really been a disadvantage by having later draft picks instead of the first two draft picks.

14 players who have been drafted at picks higher than 70 have gone on to play 100 games with that club whilst a total of 31 players have played at least 50 games after a late draft pick.  Of the players who have been picked up in the top 10 of the draft, 68 have not played a single game.

Below are two lists - the first lists those players who have played more than 50 games at a club when drafted at pick 70+ - the second list those players who have played 3 games or less when picked up in the top 10.  The #7 pick has not been lucky on nine occassions including the 3 drafts of 1990, and in the last 4 drafts (the 2002 pre-season draft pick #7 was not utilised).

Most Successful Draft Picks 70+ – 50+games

Gms – Player – #draft pick – draft

273* - Chris Grant (Fsc) - #105 - 1988
228* - Ashley McIntosh (WC) - #112 - 1989
189 - Paul Wilson (Col) - #70 - 1989
168* - James Hird (Ess) - #79 - 1990
156 - Brett Heady (WC) - #92 - 1989
155 - Troy Luff (Syd) - #74 - 1994
153 - Damien Hardwick (Ess) - #87 - 1992
142 - Tony Francis (Col) - #95 - 1988
138* - Scott Burns (Col) - #113 - 1992
125 - Jamie Shanahan (StK) - #92 - 1990
114* - Ben Dixon (Haw) - #77 - 1994
103 - Daniel Southern (Fsc) - #92 - 1992
103* - Shane Clayton (Kan) - #90 - 1998
103* - Andrew Kellaway (Rch) - #71 - 1997
94* - Jade Rawlings (Haw) - #94 - 1994
92 - Aaron Hamill (Car) - #79 - 1994
85* - Nathan Thompson (Haw) - #82 - 1997
80* - Guy Rigoni (Mel) - #77 - 1997
76 - Rupert Betheras (Col) - #76 - 1998
75 - Clint Bizzell (Gee) - #75 - 1995
75* - Kris Barlow (Haw) - #86 - 1998
72 - Anthony Franchina (Car) - #81 - 1996
71 - Shayne Breuer (Gee) - #70 - 1993
67* - Matthew Burton (Kan) - #74 - 1999
66 - Beau McDonald (Bri) - # 73 - 1997
63 - Paul Hills (Ess) - #93 - 1988
63* - Richard Vandenberg (Haw) - #78 - 1997
62* - Troy Makepeace (Kan) - #81 - 1999
61 - Trent Hotton (Car) - #86 - 1999
52 - Scott Direen (Syd) - #95 - 1992
51* - Shannon Motlop (Kan) - #85 - 1998

* 2002 player at the club

Most Unsuccessful picks 0-10 - 0-3 games

Gms – Player – #draft pick – draft

0 - Ashley Byrne (Bri) - #1 - 1991 Mid-season
0 - Brian McInnes (Fit) - #1 - 1996 Pre-season
0 - Steven Sims (StK) - #2 - 1986
0 - Chris McDermott (Bri) - #2 - 1987
0 - David Giles (Fit) - #2 - 1991 Mid-season
0* - Luke Ball (StK) - #2 - 2001
0 - Mark Brady (Fit) - #3 - 1990 Mid-season
0 - Ernie Hug (Syd) - #3 - 1991 Mid-season
0 - Richard Anderson (Rch) - #4 - 1986
0 - John McNamara (NM) - #4 - 1988
0 - Travis Martin-Beynon (NM) - #4 - 1989 Pre-season
0 - Andrew Payze (Rch) - #4 - 1990 Mid-season
0 - Fraser Murphy (Col) - #4 - 1991 Mid-season
0 - Damien Mellow (Syd) - #4 - 1992 Pre-season
0 - Tim Perkins (NM) - #4 - 1992 Mid-season
0 - Glenn Gorman (Syd) - #4 - 1993
0 - Adam Coghlan (Syd) - #4 - 1998 Pre-season
0 - Luke Livingston (Car) - #4 - 2000
0 - Michael Taylor (Gee) - #5 - 1986
0 - Michael Quirk (StK) - #5 - 1987
0 - Jeremy Crough (Rch) - #5 - 1989 Pre-season
0 - Tim Williamson (NM) - #5 - 1990 Mid-season
0 - Stewart Devlin (Gee) - #5 - 1990
0 - Athos Hrysoulakis (Rch) - #5 - 1991 Mid-season
0 - Dwaine Kretschmer (Syd) - #5 - 1992 Mid-season
0 - Jason Spinks (Syd) - #5 - 1992
0 - Brett Evans (Mel) - #5 - 1993 Mid-season
0 - Gordon Fode (Haw) - #5 - 1996 Pre-season
0 - Damian Houlihan (Kan) - #5 - 1998 Pre-season
0* - Trent Hentschel (Ade) - #5 - 2002 Pre-season

0 - Craig Cross (Car) - #6 - 1990 Mid-season
0 - Mark Naley (Fsc) - #6 - 1991 Mid-season
0 - Paul Burton (Syd) - #6 - 1991
0 - Greg Jones (Fsc) - #6 - 1992 Pre-season
0 - Jim West (Ade) - #6 - 1992 Mid-season
0 - Stephen Tingay (Syd) - #6 - 2001 Pre-season
0 - Chris Lindsay (NM) - #7 - 1986
0 - David Williams (Rch) - #7 - 1990 Pre-season
0 - Darren Bartsch (Gee) - #7 - 1990 Mid-season
0 - Damian Hampson (Car) - #7 - 1990
0 - Ben Edwards (Fre) - #7 - 1995
0 - Kent Butcher (Syd) - #7 - 1996 Pre-season
0* - Laurence Angwin (Ade) - #7 - 2000
0* - Nicholas Bruton (WB) - #7 - 2001 Pre-season
0* - David Hale (Kan) - #7 - 2001
0 - Darren Jones (Gee) - #8 - 1987
0 - Phil Krakouer (Fsc) - #8 - 1990 Mid-season
0 - Michael Ryan (Haw) - #8 - 1991 Mid-season
0 - Ross Napoli (Ess) - #8 - 1992 Pre-season
0 - Greg Lochhead (Haw) - #8 - 1992 Mid-season
0 - Tim Perkins (Ade) - #8 - 1993 Mid-season
0 - Wade Chapman (PA) - #8 - 2000 Pre-season
0 - Andrew Payze (Ess) - #9 - 1986

0 - Brian Hinkley (Ess) - #9 - 1989 Pre-season
0 - Alan Schwartz (Ess) - # 9 - 1992 Pre-season
0 - Glenn Freeborn (Mel ) - #9 - 1993 Pre-season
0 - Mark Pitura (Rch) - #9 - 1996 Pre-season
0 - Jason Daniltchenko (Haw) - #9 - 1998 Pre-season
0* - Luke Molan (Mel) - #9 - 2001
0 - Daryl Groves (Col) - #10 - 1989
0 - Craig McNauthton (WC) - #10 - 1990 Mid-season
0 - Brett Chalmers (Col) - #10 - 1992
0 - Danny Dikfos (Fit) - #10 - 1993 Mid-season
0 - Matthew Mansfield (Fit) - #10 - 1994 Pre-season
0 - Brandon Hill (Wce) - #10 - 1998
0 - Cameron McKenzie McHarg - #10 - 1999 Pre-season
0 - Simon Hawking (Col) - #10 - 2000 Pre-season
0 - Nick Gill (Mel) - #10 - 2001 Pre-season

1 - Paul Hawke (Syd) - #2 - 1991 Pre-season
1 - Scott Taylor (WB) - #6 - 1998 Pre-season
1 - Danny Roach (Col) - #7 - 1999
1 - Greg Eppelstun (Kan) - #8 - 1993 Pre-season
1 - Shane Cable (WC) - #10 - 1989 Pre-season

2  -Matthew Ahmat (Syd) - #1 - 1993 Mid-season
2 - Matthew Bourke (Fit) - #3 - 1991 Pre-season
2 - Martin Heffernan (Bri) - #6 - 1993 Pre-season
2 - Robert McMahon (Fit) - #6 - 1994
2 - Jason Ramsey (Fit) - #4 - 1995 Pre-season
2 - Brent Frewen (Fit) - #4 - 1996 Pre-season
2* - Andrew McDougall (WC) - #5 - 2000
2 - Ross Lyon (Bri) - # 6 - 1995 Pre-season
2 - Stuart Steele (Rch) - #7 - 1993 Pre-season
2 - Leigh Brockman (Gee) - #8 - 1996
2 - John Cunningham (Gee) - #9 - 1993 Mid-season
2 - Ben Wilson (Col) - #9 - 1994
2 - Michael Ford (StK) - #10 - 1992 Pre-season

3 - John Parker (Bri) - #1 - 1992 Mid-season
3 - James Cook (Mel) - #3 - 2000 Pre-season
3 - Michael Murphy (Kan) - #9 - 1987
3 - Matthew Banks (Ess) - #9 - 1997 Pre-season
3* - Tony Lockett (Syd) - #6 - 2002 Pre-season

* 2002 player at the club

 

 

November 20, 2002

Martin Windsor–Black
Whose father was number one draft pick?

Question – Of the 5 players which have been picked up under the father/son rule – whose father was a number one draft pick? Give up? – read on .......

I have dug up some infomation on the draft picks already made under the father–son rule  – some information on their fathers I found fairly interesting.

Cameron Cloke (Col) – son of David Cloke (Richmond & Collingwood) – Richmond 1974–82 and 1990–91, 219 games, 272 goals – Collingwood 1983–89, 114 games, 51 goals – played in the 1974 (debut season) and 1980 Richmond premiership sides and was Richmond captain in 1982.  Collingwood vice-captain from 1983–87. Number One draft pick in the 1990 Pre-season draf by Richmond and the #41 draft pick in the 1991 Pre–season draft

Jobe Watson (Ess) – son of Tim Watson (Essendon) – 1997–91 and 1993, 307 games, 337 goals – debuted at 15 yrs 305 days – the 3rd youngest player of all time – Captain of Essendon 1989–91, B & F 1980, 1985, 1988 and  1989, All –Australian 1983, 1989.  In a shock selection, was drafted by West Coast in the 1992 Pre-Season draft (#13), however Essendon re-drafted him in the 1993 pre–season draft (#12)– Ruck/Rover in Essendon's team of the century.  Premiership player 1984, 1985 and 1993. Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2000.

Tim Callan (Gee) – son of Terry Callan (Geelong) – 1960-64, 62 games, 5 goals.  missed Geelong's 1963 premiership side because of injury.

Brett Ebert (PA) – son of Russell Ebert (Port Adelaide(SANFL) & North Melbourne) – Port Adelaide 1968–78, 1980–85, 319 games, North Melbourne 1979, 25 games, 14 goals – Magarey Medallist at Port Adelaide (SANFL) in 1971, 1974, 1976 and 1980, PA B & F 1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977 and 1981.  PA Leading goalkicker 1968, PA captain 1974–78, PA premierships 1977, 1980, 1981.  Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1996

Sean Dempster (Syd) – son of Graham Dempster (South Melbourne) – 1972-79, 64 games, 24 goals.

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November 18, 2002

Delisted, Retired, Traded and Acquired

The following will be updated in the coming weeks –

Club Changes

Adelaide Retired Bryan Beinke 38 games, 42 goals (Ade 1999-2002, 38 games, 42 goals)
Delisted Lawrence Angwin no games (Ade 2001-02, no games)
Ryan Fitzgerald 18 games, 23 goals (Syd 2000, 10 games, 15 goals, Ade 2002, 8 games, 8 goals)
Michael Handby no games (Ade 2001-02, no games)
Evan Hewitt 48 games, 28 goals (Kan 1997-2000, 33 games, 22 goals, Ade 2001-02, 15 games, 6 goals)
Matthew Shir 11 games, 1 goal (Ade 2001-02, 11 games, 1 goal)
Robert Shirley 23 games, 0 goals (Ade 2000-02, 23 games, 0 goals)
Hayden Skipworth 5 games, 1 goal (Ade 2001, 5 games, 1 goal)
Paul Thomas (rookie) no games
Traded Kane Johnson (Richmond) 104 games, 44 goals (Ade 1996-2002, 104 games, 44 goals)
Ben Finnin (Geelong) no games (Ade 2002, no games)
Draft Picks : # 14, #30 and #45 to Richmond
#4 (on traded) and #20 (on traded) to Kangaroos
Acquired Wayne Carey (Kangaroos) 244 games, 671 goals (NMK 1989-2000, 244 games, 671 goals)
Jason Torney (Richmond) 118 games, 16 goals (Rch 1995-2002, 118 games, 16 goals)
Ronnie Burns (Geelong) 134 games, 239 goals (Gee 1996-2002, 134 games, 239 goals)
Draft Picks: #4, #20 and #36 from Richmond
Promoted Rookie Martin Mattner 7 games, 0 goals (Ade 2002, 7 games, 0 goals)
Ben Rutten no games
Nathan Bock no games
Veterans Mark Bickley 248 games, 72 goals (Ade 1991-2002, 248 games, 72 goals)
Nigel Smart 251 games, 110 goals (Ade 1991-2002, 251 games, 110 goals)
Draft Picks (4) - #36, #60, #71, #79
Brisbane Lions Retired  
Delisted Craig Bolton 29 games, 10 goals (Bri 2000-02, 29 games, 10 goals)
Nathan Clarke 6 games, 4 goals (Bri 2000-01, 6 games, 4 goals)
Luke Hammond no games
Michael Martin 58 game, 18 goals (WB 1995-99, 48 games, 18 goals, Bri 2000, 10 games, 0 goals)
Darren Bradshaw (rookie) 1 game, 0 goals (Bri 2002, 1 game, 0 goals)
David Mapleston (rookie) no games
Luke Weller (rookie) no games
Traded Des Headland (Fremantle) 52 games, 52 goals (Bri 1999-2002, 52 games, 52 goals)
Damien Cupido (Essendon) 13 games, 16 goals (Bri 2000-01, 13 games, 16 goals)
Draft Picks: #17 to Essendon
Acquired Blake Caracella (Essendon) 126 games, 151 goals (Ess 1997-2002, 126 games, 151 goals)
Draft Picks: #5, and #21 from Fremantle
Veterans Marcus Ashcroft 293 games, 145 goals (Bri 1989-2002, 293 games, 145 goals) including 170 consecutive games 1992-2000
Shaun Hart 228 games, 152 goals (Bri 1990-2002, 228 games, 152 goals)
Draft Picks (7 of 9) - #5, #21, #33, #48, #63, #74, #80
Carlton Retired CRAIG EDWIN BRADLEY
Born October 23, 1963
Aged 38 years 291 days - in his final game - 6th oldest player in the history of the league
VFL/AFL Debut: Round 1, 1986 v Hawthorn at Waverley along with Stephen Kernahan and Peter Motley.
Most Matches by any player at Senior Level (VFL/AFL/SANFL/WAFL/State of Origin/Night Series/Internationals) - 525 games
Port Adelaide (SANFL) 1981-1985 - 98 games
Carlton (VFL/AFL) 1986-2002, 375 games - 4th highest behind Michael Tuck (426), Kevin Bartlett (403) and Simon Madden (378)
Most games by a player in the No 21 guernsey
Most games by a Carlton player
24 Finals Matches
27 Night Series/pre-season matches
19 matches for South Australia (15 State of Origin)
6 matches for Australia in the International Rules (1984, 2000-01-02)
Fastest to 300 Premiership Matches - 13 yrs, 94 days - R14,1999
247 goals, 192 behinds
144 Total Brownlow Votes.
Most kicks in the league from 1981-2002. Total 5,876 kicks - 1,292 more than his nearest rival Paul Roos
League leader in seasons 1988 (475 kicks) and 1999 (430 kicks)
Second most handballs in the league from 1981-2002. Total 2,900 handballs. 36 more than 3rd placed Robert Harvey but 694 behind the leader Greg Williams with 3594 Handballs
Port Adelaide best & fairest 1982, 1984
Carlton Premiership player 1987 and 1995
Pre Season premiership side 1997
International Rules 1984, 2000, 2001 and 2002
Carlton Best and Fairest 1986(equal), 1988 and 1993, 2nd in 1989, 1991, 1995 and 1997, 3rd in 1990, 1999 and 2002
All-Australian 1983*, 1985*, 1986, 1986, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997 (*All Australian before joining VFL/AFL)
Captain- Carlton 1998-2002 (116 matches), South Australia 1997, 1999, Australia 2001
Fos Williams Medallist 1986, 1991 and 1993
Michael Tuck medallist 1997
Member of the team of the 20th century for both Carlton and Port Adelaide (SANFL)
AFL Life Membership 1997
Also played two Sheffield Shield matches for South Australia in 1983/84
Delisted Ang Christou 151 games, 20 goals (Car 1991-97, 1999-2002, 151 games, 20 goals)
Sam Cranage 18 games, 3 goals (StK 1998-2000, 8 games, 1 goal, Car 2002, 10 games, 2 goals)
David Gallagher 33 games, 3 goals (Ade 1999-2001, 26 games, 2 goals, Car 2002, 7 games, 1 goal)
Trent Hotton 78 games, 50 goals (Col 1994-96, 17 games, 14 goals, Car 2000-02, 61 games, 36 goals)
Sean O'Keefe 2 games, 0 goals (Car 2002, 2 games, 0 goals)
Adam Pickering 7 games, 1 goal (Car 2001-02, 7 games, 1 goal)
Lindsay Smith 4 games, 1 goal (Kan 2001, 1 game, 1 goal, Car 2002, 3 games, 0 goals)
Ezra Bray (rookie) no games
Michael Davis (rookie) no games
Jordan Doering (rookie) 18 games, 11 goals (Car 2001-02, 18 games, 11 goals
Traded Draft Picks: #18 to Port Adelaide
Acquired Barnaby French (Port Adelaide) 62 games, 20 goals (PA 1999-2002, 62 games, 20 goals)
Draft Picks: #31 from Port Adelaide
Promoted Rookie Adam Mathews no games
Bret Thornton 11 games, 0 goals (Car 2002, 11 games, 0 goals
Veterans Brett Ratten 248 games, 114 goals (Car 1990-2002, 248 games, 114 goals)
Draft Picks (5 of 6) - #1, #2, #31, #34, #49
Collingwood Retired Scott Cummings 128 games, 349 goals, 181 behinds (Ess 1994-96, 40 games, 83 goals, PA 1997-98, 37 games, 102 goals, WCE 1999-2001, 46 games, 158 goals, Col 2002, 5 games, 6 goals) - League leading goalkicker 1999 (95) - goaled with first kick - most goals in a game at Subiaco (10) and WACA (14)
Chad Rintoul 76 games, 31 goals (Ade 1997-98, 23 games, 16 goals, WCE 1999-2000, 39 games, 10 goals, Col 2001-02, 14 games, 5 goals)
Tyson Lane 61 games, 49 goals (WB 1995-98, 19 games, 19 goals, Col 1999-2001, 42 games, 30 goals)
Delisted Andrew Dimattina 28 games, 6 goals (Col 2000-02, 28 games, 6 goals)
Justin Crow (rookie) no games
Mark Dubyna (rookie) no games
Andrew J Hill (rookie) no games
Andrew R Hill (rookie) 1 game, 0 goals (Col 2001, 1 game, 0 goals)
James Podsiadly (rookie) no games
Leith Teakle (rookie) no games
Traded Nick Davis (Sydney) 71 games, 85 goals (Col 1999-2002, 71 games, 85 goals)
Damien Adkins (West Coast) 22 games, 8 goals (Col 2000-02, 22 games, 8 goals)
Draft Picks: #16 to Melbourne
Acquired Shane Woewodin (Melbourne) 138 games, 63 goals (Mel 1997-2002, 138 games, 63 goals)
Andrew Williams (West Coast) 84 games, 42 goals (Wce 1998-2002, 84 games, 42 goals)
Draft Picks: #23 from Sydney
Veterans Mark Richardson 141 games, 83 goals (Col 1991-2002, 141 games, 83 goals)
Draft Picks (5) - #23, #32, #47 (Cameron Cloke - father-son), #62, #73
Essendon Retired Paul Salmon 324 games, 561 goals 303 behinds (Ess 1983-1995, 209 games, 509 goals, 282 behinds, Haw 1996-2000, 100 games, 41 goals, 18 behinds, Ess 2002, 15 games, 11 goals, 3 behinds)
- equal most times Essendon's leading goalkicker - 7 times (1984*,1987,1988,1989,1990,1992,1993* - *premiership seasons)
- Interchange in Hawthorn's team of the century - Hawthorn B & F 1996 & 1997
- All-Australian 1987, 1997
- involved in one of the two greatest goal shootouts of all time in 1993-R6 - G.Ablett 14.7, P.Salmon 10.6 (Second only to G.Coventry 10.6, G.Margitich 10.3 in 1933-R18)
- Most hit-outs 1997 (352) - 2nd most hit-outs 1981-2002 (3900) - between J.Madden (5660) and S.Madden (3860)
- 3rd most marks 1981-2002 (1967)
- Michael Tuck Medallist 1999
- Most State of Origin Goals - Victoria 1977-2001 - 45
- Larke Medallist 1981 (Vic U18)
Delisted Steve Alessio 168 games, 184 goals, 78 behinds (Ess 1992-2002, 168 games, 184 goals)
Daniel McAlister 6 games, 0 goals (Ess 1997,2001-02, 6 games, 0 goals)
Gary Moorcroft 95 games, 102 goals, 62 behinds (Ess 1995,1997-2002, 95 games, 102 goals, 62 behinds) - Morrish Medal 1994
Marcus Kenny (rookie) no games
Adam Winter (rookie) no games
Traded Justin Blumfield (Richmond) 129 games, 86 goals (Ess 1996-2002, 129 games, 86 goals)
Blake Caracella (Brisbane) 126 games, 151 goals (Ess 1997-2002, 126 games, 151 goals)
Chris Heffernan (Melbourne) 97 games, 38 goals (Ess 1997-2002, 97 games, 38 goals)
Draft Picks: #17 (on traded) to Melbourne, #60 to Fremantle
Acquired Adam McPhee (Fremantle) 25 games, 9 goals (Fre 2001-02, 25 games, 9 goals)
Damien Cupido (Brisbane) 13 games, 16 goals (Bri 2000-01, 13 games, 16 goals)
Draft Picks: #12 from Melbourne, #17 from Brisbane, #30 (on traded) from Richmond
Veterans Nil
Draft Picks (6) - #12, #13, #29, #30, #44 (Jobe Watson - father-son), #70
Fremantle Retired Brad Bootsma 23 games, 7 goals (Fre 2000-01, 23 games, 7 goals)
Simon Eastaugh 29 games, 2 goals (Rch 1994-95, 0 games, Ess 1998-99, 17 games, 1 goal, Fre 2001-02, 12 games, 1 goal)
Dale Kickett 181 games, 64 goals, 74 behinds (Fit 1990, 15 games, 13 goals, WCE 1991, 2 games, 0 goals, StK 1992, 21 games, 20 goals, Ess 1994, 8 games, 7 goals, Fre 1995-2002, 135 games, 24 goals) - Simpson Medal 1991, 1993
Daniel Metropolis 114 games, 48 goals (Wce 1992-93, 1995-2000, 108 games, 46 goals, Fre 2001, 6 games, 2 goals) - 6 goals on debut including one with his first kick
Clem Michael 43 games, 11 goals (Fre 1998-2000, 43 games, 11 goals)
Jason Norrish 148 games, 25 goals (Mel 1993-94, 20 games, 1 goal, Fre 1995-2002, 128 games, 24 goals)
Delisted Brad Dodd 50 games, 24 goals (Fre 1998-2001, 50 games, 24 goals)
Brendon Fewster 70 games, 43 goals (Wce 1996-1999, 33 games, 27 goals, Fre 2000-02, 37 games, 16 goals)
Andrew Shipp 35 games, 19 goals (Fre 1999-2002, 35 games, 19 goals)
Traded Adam McPhee (Essendon) 25 games, 9 goals (Fre 2001-02, 25 games, 9 goals)
Leigh Brown (Kangaroos) 63 games, 20 goals (Fre 2000-02, 63 games, 20 goals)
Draft Picks: #5 and #21 to Brisbane
Acquired Des Headland (Brisbane) 52 games, 52 goals (Bri 1999-2002, 52 games, 52 goals)
Draft Picks: #15 (on traded) from Kangaroos, #60 from Essendon
Promoted Rookie Andrew Siegert 21 games, 1 goal (Fre 2002, 21 games, 1 goal)
Roger Hayden 5 games, 0 goals (Fre 2002, 5 games, 0 goals)
Aaron Sandilands no games
Draft Picks (7) - #15, #52, #59, #66, #77, #83, #87
Geelong Retired Glenn Kilpatrick 146 games, 35 goals (Ess 1992-94, 26 games, 4 goals, Gee 1996-2002, 120 games, 31 goals)
Tim McGrath 226 games, 18 goals (NM 1989,91, 7 games, 0 goals, Gee 1992-2002, 219 games, 18 goals)
Brad Sholl 171 games, 46 goals (NM 1993-94, 2 games, 0 goals, Gee 1995-2002, 169 games, 46 goals)
Jason Snell 62 games, 62 goals (Gee 1996-2001, 62 games, 62 goals)
Delisted David Mensch 158 games, 173 goals, 100 behinds (Gee 1992-2001, 158 games, 173 goals)
Danny O'Brien 8 games, 6 goals (Gee 2000, 8 games, 6 goals)
Adam Chatfield (rookie) 1 game, 0 goals (Car 2000, 1 game, 0 goals)
Traded Ronnie Burns (Adelaide) 134 games, 239 goals (Gee 1996-2002, 134 games, 239 goals)
Acquired Ben Finnin (Adelaide) no games (Ade 2002, no games)
Promoted Rookie Paul Chambers 3 games, 0 goals (Gee 2002, 3 games, 0 goals)
Jared Rooke 15 games, 1 goal (Gee 2002, 15 games, 1 goal)
Veterans Peter Riccardi 221 games, 228 goals 186 behinds (Gee 1992-2002, 221 games, 228 goals, 186 behinds)
Draft Picks (4) - #9, #25, #40 (Tim Callan- father-son), #56
Hawthorn Retired Shaun Rehn 167 games, 62 goals, 60 behinds (Ade 1991-98, 2000, 144 games, 55 goals, Haw 2001-02, 23 games, 7 goals) - League leader Hit-Outs 1994(401) and 1998(567)
Tony Woods 173 games, 36 goals (Fit 1989-90 13 games, 4 goals, Col 1992-94, 18 games, 6 goals, Haw 1995-2002, 142 games, 26 goals)
Delisted Tim Hazell 5 games, 3 goals (Haw 2001, 5 games, 3 goals)
Bill Nicholls 6 games, 5 goals (Haw 2001, 6 games, 5 goals)
Matthew Ball (rookie) no games
Michael Georgiadis (rookie) no games
Michael Osborne (rookie) 3 games, 2 goals (Haw 2001-02, 3 games, 2 goals)
Djaren Whyman (rookie) no games
Traded Daniel Chick (West Coast) 149 games, 159 goals (Haw 1996-2002, 149 games, 159 goals)
Draft Picks: #8 and #24 to St.Kilda, #39 to Western Bulldogs
Acquired Peter Everitt (St.Kilda) 180 games, 299 goals (StK 1993-2002, 180 games, 299 goals)
Kingsley Hunter (Western Bulldogs) 98 games, 114 goals (Fre 1995-1998, 41 games, 86 goals, WB 1999-2002, 57 games, 28 goals)
Draft Picks: #10 from West Coast
Draft Picks (3) - #10, #55, #68
Kangaroos Retired John Blakey 359 games, 110 goals, 120 behinds(Fit 1985-92, 135 games, 38 goals, NMK 1993-2002, 224 games, 72 goals)
Joe McLaren 69 games, 39 goals (StK 1996-2000, 57 games, 33 goals, Kan 2001, 12 games, 6 goals)
Delisted Michael Martyn 287 games, 16 goals (Kan 1988-2002, 287 games, 16 goals)
Adam Lange 28 games, 22 goals (Kan 1999-2002, 28 games, 22 goals)
Winston Abraham 110 games, 159 goals (Fre 1995-97, 38 games, 55 goals, Kan 1998-2001, 72 games, 104 goals)
Daniel Pratt no games (Kan 2001-02, no games)
Hugh Foott no games (Kan 2002, no games)
Rod Tregenza (rookie) no games
Traded Wayne Carey (Adelaide) 244 games, 671 goals (NMK 1989-2000, 244 games, 671 goals)
Byron Pickett (Port Adelaide) 120 games, 81 goals (Kan 1987-2002, 120 games, 81 goals)
Stuart Cochrane (Port Adelaide) 50 games, 11 goals (Kan 1998-2002, 50 games, 11 goals)
Draft Picks: #15 (on traded) to Fremantle
Acquired Leigh Brown (Fremantle) 63 games, 20 goals (Fre 2000-02, 63 games, 20 goals)
Michael Stevens (Port Adelaide) 17 games, 3 goals (PA 1999-2000, 2002, 17 games, 3 goals)
Draft Picks: #4 (on traded) and #20 (on traded) from Adelaide, #15 and #35 (on traded) from Port Adelaide
Promoted Rookie John Baird 14 games, 4 goals (Haw 1999-2000, no games, Kan 2002, 14 games, 4 goals)
Digby Morrell 26 games, 29 goals (Kan 2001-02, 26 games, 29 goals)
Veterans Anthony Stevens 252 games, 112 goals (Kan 1989-2002, 252 games, 112 goals)
Draft Picks (6) - #4, #11, #20, #27, #35, #42
Melbourne Retired Steven Febey 258 games, 40 goals, 57 behinds (Mel 1988-2001, 258 games, 40 goals)
Anthony McDonald 104 games, 41 goals (Mel 1997-2002, 104 games, 41 goals)
David Schwarz 173 games, 243 goals, 162 behinds (Mel 1991-95, 1997-2002, 173 games, 243 goals) - Leading League Marks 1994(173)
Delisted Michael J Clark 1 game, 1 goal (Mel 2002, 1 game, 1 goal)
Ross Funcke 40 games, 5 goals (Rch 1996-99, 27 games, 1 goal, Mel 2001-02, 13 games, 4 goals)
Guy Rigoni 80 games, 26 goals (Mel 1998-2001, 80 games, 26 goals)
Ryan Ayres (rookie) no games
Tom Marshall (rookie) no games
David Robbins (rookie) no games
Nicholas Walsh (rookie) no games
Traded Shane Woewodin (Collingwood) 138 games, 63 goals (Mel 1997-2002, 138 games, 63 goals)
Draft Picks #12 to Essendon
Acquired Chris Heffernan (Essendon) 97 games, 38 goals (Ess 1997-2002, 97 games, 38 goals)
Draft Picks #16 from Collingwood, #17 (on traded) from Essendon
Promoted Rookie Mark Jamar no games
Draft Picks (6) - #16, #17, #28, #43, #58, #69
Port Adelaide Retired Bowen Lockwood 50 games, 45 goals (PA 1997-2001, 50 games, 45 goals)
Darren Mead 122 games, 8 goals (PA 1997-2002, 122 games, 8 goals)
Delisted Scott Bassett 15 games, 2 goals (PA 1999-2002, 15 games, 2 goals)
Allan Murray 1 game, 0 goals (PA 2002, 1 game, 0 goals)
Derek Murray 23 games, 7 goals (PA 1999-2002, 23 games, 7 goals) - Morrish Medal 1997, H.C.Harrison Medal 1998
Jordan Barham(rookie) no goals
Jaxon Crabb(rookie) 19 games, 2 goals (Wce 1998-2000, 15 games, 2 goals, PA 2002, 4 games, 0 goals)
Nick Jackman(rookie) no games
Mark McKenzie(rookie) no games
Traded Barry Brooks (St.Kilda) no games (PA 2002, no games)
Barnaby French (Carlton) 62 games, 20 goals (PA 1999-2002, 62 games, 20 goals)
Michael Stevens (Kangaroos) 17 games, 3 goals (PA 1999-2000, 2002, 17 games, 3 goals)
Draft Picks #15 and #35 (on traded) to Kangaroos, #31 to Carlton
Acquired Byron Pickett (Kangaroos) 120 games, 81 goals (Kan 1987-2002, 120 games, 81 goals)
Stuart Cochrane (Kangaroos) 50 games, 11 goals (Kan 1998-2002, 50 games, 11 goals)
Draft Picks #8 (on traded) and #35 from St.Kilda, #18 from Carlton
Veterans Stephen Paxman 215 games, 35 goals (Fit 1991-96, 102 games, 18 goals, PA 1997-2002, 113 games, 17 goals)
Draft Picks (5) - #8, #18, #46 (Brett Ebert - father-son), #61, #72
Richmond Retired Paul Hudson 245 games, 479 goals, 367 behinds (Haw 1990-96, 134 games, 264 goals, WB 1997-2001, 108 games, 214 goals, Rch 2002, 3 games, 1 goal)
Matthew Knights 279 games, 141 goals, 111 behinds (Rch 1988-2002, 279 games, 141 goals)
Steven Sziller 156 games, 41 goals, 55 behinds (StK 1995-2000, 118 games, 38 goals, Rch 2001-02, 38 games, 3 goals)
Delisted Craig Ednie 7 games, 3 goals (Rch 2002, 7 games, 3 goals)
Scott Homewood no games (Rch 2002, no games)
Ezra Poyas 9 games, 6 goals (Rch 2000-02, 9 games, 6 goals)
Kristian De Pasquale (rookie) no games
Simon Hart (rookie) no games
Matt King (rookie) no games
Brad Miller (rookie) no games
Garth Taylor (rookie) 15 games, 13 goals (Fre 1999-2000, 15 games, 13 goals)
Traded Jason Torney (Adelaide) 118 games, 16 goals (Rch 1995-2002, 118 games, 16 goals)
Draft Picks: #30 (on traded) to Essendon
Acquired Kane Johnson (Adelaide) 104 games, 44 goals (Ade 1996-2002, 104 games, 44 goals)
Justin Blumfield (Essendon) 129 games, 86 goals (Ess 1996-2002, 129 games, 86 goals)
Draft Picks: #14, #30 and #45 from Adelaide
Veterans Wayne Campbell 247 games, 152 goals (Rch 1991-2002, 247 games, 152 goals)
Draft Picks (7) - #14, #45, #51, #65, #76, #82, #86
St.Kilda Retired Stewart Loewe 321 games, 594 goals, 410 behinds (StK 1986-2002, 321 games, 594 goals) - Most Marks 1981-2002 - Total 2,511 (362 more than 2nd placed Paul Roos) - League leading marks 1990(225), 1993(184), 1996(190) and 1997(192)
Delisted Caydn Beetham 37 games 9 goals (StK 2000-02, 37 games, 9 goals)
James Begley 36 games 7 goals (StK 1999-2002, 36 games, 7 goals)
Jason Cripps 60 games 10 goals (StK 1996-98, 2001-02, 60 games, 10 goals)
Chad Davis 31 games 17 goals (StK 2000-02, 31 games, 17 goals)
Justin Plapp 44 games 30 goals (Rch, 1998-99, 18 games, 22 goals, StK 2000-02, 26 games, 8 goals)
Josh Dicketts (rookie) no games
Chris Jones (rookie) no games
Traded Peter Everitt (Hawthorn) 180 games, 299 goals (StK 1993-2002, 180 games, 299 goals)
Draft Picks: #19 to Western Bulldogs, #8 (on traded) and #35 to Port Adelaide
Acquired Luke Penny (Western Bulldogs) 35 games, 5 goals (WB 2000-02, 35 games, 5 goals)
Barry Brooks (Port Adelaide) no games (PA 2002, no games)
Draft Picks: #8 and #24 from Hawthorn
Veterans Nathan Burke 305 games, 118 goals (StK 1987-2002, 305 games, 118 goals)
Robert Harvey 255 games, 149 goals (StK 1988-2002, 255 games, 149 goals)
Draft Picks (8) - #3, #24, #50, #64, #75, #81, #85, #88
Sydney Retired Nick Daffy 166 games, 182 goals, (Rch 1992-2001, 165 games, 181 goals, Syd 2002, 1 game, 1 goal) - must remain on Sydney's list for 2003 due to the complex trade agreement with Richmond.
Andrew Dunkley 217 games, 11 goals (Syd 1992-2002, 217 games, 11 goals)
Paul Kelly 234 games, 200 goals, 174 behinds (Syd 1990-2002, 234 games, 200 goals)
Tony Lockett 281 games, 1360 goals (StK 1983-94, 183 games, 898 goals, Syd 1995-1999, 2002, 98 games, 462 goals)
Wayne Schwass 282 games, 154 goals, 116 behinds (NM 1988-97, Syd 1998-2002) - Top Ten kicks 1981-2002 and Top Ten Tackles 1981-2002
Delisted Leigh Brockman 12 games, 1 goal (Gee 1998, 2 games, 1 goal, Syd 2002, 10 games, 0 goals)
Heath James 5 games, 0 goals (Syd 1999,2001, 5 games, 0 goals)
Ricky Mott 17 games, 3 goals (Syd 2002, 17 games, 3 goals)
Gerard Bennett (rookie) 32 games, 11 goals (Gee 1997-98, no games, Syd 1999-2002, 32 games, 11 goals)
Tom Hill (rookie) no games
Luke Jarjoura (rookie) no games
Chris Obst (rookie) 17 games, 0 goals (Haw 1998-2001, 17 games, 0 goals, Syd 2002, no games) - Chris kicked 1 behind in 1998-R22 Haw v Fre
Ricky O'Loughlin (rookie) 9 games, 2 goals (Ade 2000-01, 9 games, 2 goals, Syd 2002, no games)
Michael Swan(rookie) no games
Traded Draft Picks: #23 to Collingwood
Acquired Nick Davis (Collingwood) 71 games, 85 goals (Col 1999-2002, 71 games, 85 goals)
Veterans Daryn Cresswell 225 games, 187 goals (Syd 1992-2002, 225 games, 187 goals)
Draft Picks (6) - #7, #38 (Sean Dempster - father-son), #54, #67, #78, #84
West Coast Retired Greg Harding 78 games, 3 goals (Fre 1996-2000, 69 games, 3 goals, Wce 2001, 9 games, 0 goals)
Mark Merenda 101 games, 88 goals, 94 behinds (Rch 1994-2000, 75 games, 62 goals, WCE 2001-02, 26 games, 26 goals)
Michael Prior 90 games, 20 goals (Ess 1994-2000, 81 games, 19 goals, Wce 2001-02, 9 games, 1 goal)
Richard Taylor 140 games, 57 goals (Haw 1992-2000, 112 games, 46 goals, WCE 2001-02, 28 games, 11 goals)
Delisted Zachary Beeck (rookie) no games
Andrew McCarrey (rookie) no games
Brent Tuckey (rookie) 22 games, 9 goals (Col 1998-2001, 19 games, 8 goals, Wce 2002, 3 games, 1 goal)
Traded Andrew Williams (Collingwood) 84 games, 42 goals (Wce 1998-2002, 84 games, 42 goals)
Draft Picks: #10 to Hawthorn
Acquired Damien Adkins (Collingwood) 22 games, 8 goals (Col 2000-02, 22 games, 8 goals)
Daniel Chick (Hawthorn) 149 games, 159 goals (Haw 1996-2002, 149 games, 159 goals)
Promoted Rookie Quinten Lynch 11 games, 17 goals (Wce 2002, 11 games, 17 goals)
Veterans Peter Matera 253 games, 217 goals (Wce 1990-2002, 253 games, 217 goals)
Ashley McIntosh 228 games, 108 goals (Wce 1991-2002, 228 games, 108 goals)
Draft Picks (3) - #26, #41, #57
Western Bulldogs Retired Aaron James 54 games, 25 goals (Col 1994-95,1997, 23 games, 6 goals, Rch 1998-2000, 30 games, 19 goals, WB 2002, 1 games, 0 goals)
Tony Liberatore 283 games, 95 goals, 86 behinds (FWB 1986-2002, 283 games, 95 goals, 86 behinds) - 2003 coach of Box Hill Hawks
Most Tackles 1981-2002 - Total 1173 (484 more than 2nd placed Nathan Burke) - League leading tackler 1990 (82), 1992(136), 1993(115), 1994(142), 1995(116), 1996(111), 1997(95) and 2000(101) - League leading free kicks 1994 (61) - 6th Most Handballs 1981-2002 (2,717)
Delisted Trent Bartlett 81 games, 42 goals (Bri 1995-96, 1998-99, 39 games, 8 goals, WB 2000-02, 42 games, 34 goals)
Shannon Rusca 2 games, 0 goals (Bri 2000, 2 games, 0 goals, WB 2002, no games)
Nathan Saunders 10 games, 11 goals (Haw 1995, no games, WB 2002, 10 games, 11 goals)
Bernie Collins(rookie) no games (WB 2002, no games)
Nick Greenwood(rookie) no games (WB 2002, no games)
Leigh Harrison(rookie) no games (WB 2002, no games)
Traded Luke Penny (St.Kilda) 35 games, 5 goals (WB 2000-02, 35 games, 5 goals)
Kingsley Hunter (Hawthorn) 98 games, 114 goals (Fre 1995-1998, 41 games, 86 goals, WB 1999-2002, 57 games, 28 goals)
Acquired Draft Picks: #19 from St.Kilda, #39 from Hawthorn
Draft Picks (6) - #6, #19, #22, #37, #39, #53

Draft Picks Traded

Draft Pick Trade
4 Richmond -> Adelaide -> Kangaroos
5 Fremantle -> Brisbane Lions
8 Hawthorn -> St.Kilda -> Port Adelaide
10 West Coast -> Hawthorn
12 Melbourne -> Essendon
14 Adelaide -> Richmond
15 Port Adelaide -> Kangaroos -> Fremantle
16 Collingwood -> Melbourne
17 Brisbane Lions -> Essendon -> Melbourne
18 Carlton -> Port Adelaide
19 St.Kilda -> Western Bulldogs
20 Richmond -> Adelaide -> Kangaroos
21 Fremantle -> Brisbane Lions
23 Sydney -> Collingwood
24 Hawthorn -> St.Kilda
30 Adelaide -> Richmond -> Essendon
31 Port Adelaide -> Carlton
35 St.Kilda -> Port Adelaide -> Kangaroos
36 Richmond -> Adelaide
39 Hawthorn -> Western Bulldogs
45 Adelaide -> Richmond
60 (now 59) Essendon -> Fremantle

 

 

November 12

Digging into the oldest players

Following Paul Salmon's retirement, and noticing from the oldest 20 players that Bradley, Liberatore, Lockett, Blakey, Kickett, Loewe, Dunkley, Martyn, Schwass, Woods, Kelly and Febey had also retired from this list, I decided to do a bit more digging.

Next year we will have the youngest set of oldest players for 8 years.

In fact with 10 of the eldest 11players having retired (or delisted) from 2002-03, the average age of the oldest 20 has dropped a staggering 596 days (almost 19 months).

And we will have the youngest oldest player in Alastair Lynch since Paul Roos in 1998. (and he is not even on the veterans list). If Lynch should retire we will have the youngest oldest player in Peter Matera since Roger Merrett in 1994

The average age (as at Jan 1) of the 20 oldest players since 1990 has been:

Year Average Age
Oldest 20		 movement Oldest Player
1990 32 yrs 131 days Michael Tuck 36y 191d
1991 32y 195d up 64 days Michael Tuck 37y 191d
1992 32y 0d down 195 days Steven Wright 35y 45d
1993 31y 316d down 49 days Neil Cordy 33y 268d
1994 31y 203d down 113 days Roger Merrett 33y 257d
1995 31y 358d up 155 days Roger Merrett 34y 257d
1996 32y 193d up 200 days Roger Merrett 35y 257d
1997 32y 330d up 137 days Justin Madden 35y 215d
1998 32y 172d down 158 days Paul Roos 34y 188d
1999 32y 46d down 126 days Craig Bradley 35y 70d
2000 32y 46d up 115 days Craig Bradley 36y 70d
2001 32y 304d up 143 days Craig Bradley 27y 70d
2002 33y 245d up 306 days Craig Bradley 38y 70d
2003* 32y 14 days down 596 days Alastair Lynch 34y 196d
*as per
current list

Of course this average will fall if any of the oldest 20 players decide to retire before the delisted player nomination deadline on Nov 24.
Attached is a list of the oldest 20 players for each year since 1990.

I do not have many records of players prior to 1990, however I do have the Year Book from 1985 which had lists of the players from 1984.  I was able to deduce that the oldest 20 players in 1984 were:

No. Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1) retired
1 Gary Dempsey 22/11/48 35 yrs 39 days 1984
2 Barry Round 26/01/50 33 yrs 339 days 1985
3 Bruce Duperouzel 21/04/50 33 yrs 254 days 1984
4 Kelvin Moore 15/08/50 33 yrs 138 days 1984
5 Barry Rowlings 21/08/50 33 yrs 132 days 1986
6 Geoff Southby 27/10/50 33 yrs 65 days 1984
7 Bernie Quinlan 21/07/51 32 yrs 164 days 1986
8 David McMahon 19/10/51 32 yrs 74 days 1984
9 Keith Greig 23/10/51 32 yrs 70 days 1985
10 Leigh Matthews 01/03/52 31 yrs 305 days 1985
11 Peter Knights 30/03/52 31 yrs 276 days 1985
12 Brian Peake 04/12/52 31 yrs 27 days 1984
13 Gary Cowton 30/12/52 31 yrs 1 day 1984
14 Wayne Schimmelbusch 19/01/53 30 yrs 346 days 1987
15 Rod Austin 26/01/53 30 yrs 339 days 1985
16 Gary Malarkey 23/03/53 30 yrs 283 days 1986
17 Michael Tuck 24/06/53 30 yrs 190 days 1991
18 Ray Byrne 16/07/53 30 yrs 168 days 1984
19 Garry Wilson 17/07/53 30 yrs 167 days 1984
20 Mervyn Keane 29/07/53 30 yrs 155 days 1984

Average

 06/01/52 31 yrs 359 days


So, after Gary Dempsey, Barry Round was the eldest in 1985, Rowlings in 1986, Schimmelbusch in 1987 and Michael Tuck for four seasons from 1988 to 1991 - since matched by Bradley's four seasons between 1999-2002.

I also noticed from these lists that Essendon's Paul Van Der Haar and Merv Neagle shared the same birthdate 7/3/58 and Geelong pair Andrew Bews and Paul Couch were born 19/7/64.

Did you know the last players to be born on November 11 were Darren 'Doc' Wheildon and James Wynd who both ended their careers in 1994 - 8 years ago?  In fact they are probably the only two players born on Remembrance Day who have played at the highest level in the past 15 years.

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Oldest Players 1990-2002

1990    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Michael Tuck 24/06/53 36 yrs 191 days
2 Rod Carter 29/10/54 35 yrs 64 days
3 David Cloke 28/01/55 34 yrs 338 days
4 Steven Wright 17/11/56 33 yrs 45 days
5 Alan Johnson 20/11/56 33 yrs 42 days
6 Ian Roberts 3/04/57 32 yrs 273 days
7 Terry Daniher 15/08/57 32 yrs 139 days
8 Wayne Johnston 19/12/57 32 yrs 13 days
9 Simon Madden 30/12/57 32 yrs 2 days
10 Paul Van Der Haar 7/03/58 31 yrs 300 days
11 Merv Neagle 7/03/58 31 yrs 300 days
12 Rodney Eade 4/04/58 31 yrs 272 days
13 Robert Dipierdomenico 5/05/58 31 yrs 241 days
14 Gary Buckenara 3/07/58 31 yrs 182 days
15 Mark Williams 21/08/58 31 yrs 133 days
16 Neville Bruns 3/10/58 31 yrs 90 days
17 Jim Krakouer 13/10/58 31 yrs 80 days
18 Terry Wallace 13/12/58 31 yrs 19 days
19 Bill Duckworth 21/02/59 30 yrs 314 days
20 Mike Richardson 16/03/59 30 yrs 291 days
Average 23/08/57 32 yrs 131 days
1991    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Michael Tuck 24/06/53 37 yrs 191 days
2 David Cloke 28/01/55 35 yrs 338 days
3 Steven Wright 17/11/56 34 yrs 45 days
4 Ian Roberts 3/04/57 33 yrs 273 days
5 Terry Daniher 15/08/57 33 yrs 139 days
6 Simon Madden 30/12/57 33 yrs 2 days
7 Robert Dipierdomenico 5/05/58 32 yrs 241 days
8 Shane Heard 28/07/58 32 yrs 157 days
9 Neville Bruns 3/10/58 32 yrs 90 days
10 Jim Krakouer 13/10/58 32 yrs 80 days
11 Terry Wallace 13/12/58 32 yrs 19 days
12 Mark Lee 29/03/59 31 yrs 278 days
13 Neil Cordy 8/04/59 31 yrs 268 days
14 Matthew Rendell 18/04/59 31 yrs 258 days
15 Rod Lester-Smith 18/07/59 31 yrs 167 days
16 Dale Weightman 3/10/59 31 yrs 90 days
17 John Kennedy 22/11/59 31 yrs 40 days
18 Phil Krakouer 15/01/60 30 yrs 351 days
19 Roger Merrett 19/04/60 30 yrs 257 days
20 Doug Hawkins 5/05/60 30 yrs 241 days
Average 20/06/58 32 yrs 195 days
1992    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Steven Wright 17/11/56 35 yrs 45 days
2 Terry Daniher 15/08/57 34 yrs 139 days
3 Simon Madden 30/12/57 34 yrs 2 days
4 Neville Bruns 3/10/58 33 yrs 90 days
5 Neil Cordy 8/04/59 32 yrs 268 days
6 Matthew Rendell 18/04/59 32 yrs 258 days
7 Dale Weightman 3/10/59 32 yrs 90 days
8 Roger Merrett 19/04/60 31 yrs 257 days
9 Doug Hawkins 5/05/60 31 yrs 241 days
10 Peter Foster 2/06/60 31 yrs 213 days
11 David Marshall 30/06/60 31 yrs 185 days
12 Tony Shaw 23/07/60 31 yrs 162 days
13 Paul Meldrum 13/09/60 31 yrs 110 days
14 Gary Ayres 28/09/60 31 yrs 95 days
15 Denis Carroll 7/11/60 31 yrs 55 days
16 Mark Mickan 30/01/61 30 yrs 336 days
17 Glenn Coleman 3/02/61 30 yrs 332 days
18 Brett Stephens 20/02/61 30 yrs 315 days
19 Chris Mew 7/05/61 30 yrs 239 days
20 Steven Clark 15/05/61 30 yrs 231 days
Average 1/01/60 32 yrs 0 days
1993    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Neil Cordy 8/04/59 33 yrs 268 days
2 Dale Weightman 3/10/59 33 yrs 90 days
3 Roger Merrett 19/04/60 32 yrs 257 days
4 Doug Hawkins 5/05/60 32 yrs 241 days
5 Peter Foster 2/06/60 32 yrs 213 days
6 Tony Shaw 23/07/60 32 yrs 162 days
7 Gary Ayres 28/09/60 32 yrs 95 days
8 Denis Carroll 7/11/60 32 yrs 55 days
9 Mark Mickan 30/01/61 31 yrs 336 days
10 Glenn Coleman 3/02/61 31 yrs 332 days
11 Brett Stephens 20/02/61 31 yrs 315 days
12 Justin Madden 31/05/61 31 yrs 215 days
13 Tim Watson 13/07/61 31 yrs 172 days
14 Peter Daicos 20/09/61 31 yrs 103 days
15 Gary Ablett 1/10/61 31 yrs 92 days
16 Shane Morwood 1/12/61 31 yrs 31 days
17 Brian Royal 20/12/61 31 yrs 12 days
18 Dwayne Lamb 21/04/62 30 yrs 255 days
19 Tom Alvin 21/04/62 30 yrs 255 days
20 Jon Dorotich 27/04/62 30 yrs 249 days
Average 19/02/61 31 yrs 316 days
1994    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Roger Merrett 19/04/60 33 yrs 257 days
2 Doug Hawkins 5/05/60 33 yrs 241 days
3 Tony Shaw 23/07/60 33 yrs 162 days
4 Justin Madden 31/05/61 32 yrs 215 days
5 Tim Watson 13/07/61 32 yrs 172 days
6 Gary Ablett 1/10/61 32 yrs 92 days
7 Dwayne Lamb 21/04/62 31 yrs 255 days
8 Tom Alvin 21/04/62 31 yrs 255 days
9 Russell Morris 1/06/62 31 yrs 214 days
10 Derek Kickett 6/10/62 31 yrs 87 days
11 Martin Leslie 17/11/62 31 yrs 45 days
12 Chris Langford 2/01/63 30 yrs 364 days
13 Anthony Daniher 21/01/63 30 yrs 345 days
14 John Platten 17/03/63 30 yrs 290 days
15 Greg Dear 17/04/63 30 yrs 259 days
16 Scott Lee 5/06/63 30 yrs 210 days
17 Paul Roos 27/06/63 30 yrs 188 days
18 Mark Bairstow 24/07/63 30 yrs 161 days
19 Stephen Kernahan 1/09/63 30 yrs 122 days
20 Danny Frawley 8/09/63 30 yrs 115 days
Average 12/06/62 31 yrs 203 days
1995    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Roger Merrett 19/04/60 34 yrs 257 days
2 Doug Hawkins 5/05/60 34 yrs 241 days
3 Justin Madden 31/05/61 33 yrs 215 days
4 Gary Ablett 1/10/61 33 yrs 92 days
5 Derek Kickett 6/10/62 32 yrs 87 days
6 Martin Leslie 17/11/62 32 yrs 45 days
7 Chris Langford 2/01/63 31 yrs 364 days
8 John Platten 17/03/63 31 yrs 290 days
9 Greg Dear 17/04/63 31 yrs 259 days
10 Scott Lee 5/06/63 31 yrs 210 days
11 Paul Roos 27/06/63 31 yrs 188 days
12 Stephen Kernahan 1/09/63 31 yrs 122 days
13 Danny Frawley 8/09/63 31 yrs 115 days
14 Greg Williams 30/09/63 31 yrs 93 days
15 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 31 yrs 70 days
16 Chris McDermott 4/11/63 31 yrs 58 days
17 Peter Wilson 15/11/63 31 yrs 47 days
18 Mark Thompson 19/11/63 31 yrs 43 days
19 Steven Stretch 5/01/64 30 yrs 361 days
20 Tim Darcy 15/01/64 30 yrs 351 days
Average 8/01/63 31 yrs 358 days
1996    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Roger Merrett 19/04/60 35 yrs 257 days
2 Justin Madden 31/05/61 34 yrs 215 days
3 Gary Ablett 1/10/61 34 yrs 92 days
4 Derek Kickett 6/10/62 33 yrs 87 days
5 Chris Langford 2/01/63 32 yrs 364 days
6 John Platten 17/03/63 32 yrs 290 days
7 Greg Dear 17/04/63 32 yrs 259 days
8 Paul Roos 27/06/63 32 yrs 188 days
9 Stephen Kernahan 1/09/63 32 yrs 122 days
10 Greg Williams 30/09/63 32 yrs 93 days
11 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 32 yrs 70 days
12 Chris McDermott 4/11/63 32 yrs 58 days
13 Mark Thompson 19/11/63 32 yrs 43 days
14 David Hart 3/03/64 31 yrs 304 days
15 Tony McGuinness 6/05/64 31 yrs 240 days
16 Richard Osborne 16/06/64 31 yrs 199 days
17 Andrew Bews 19/07/64 31 yrs 166 days
18 Paul Couch 19/07/64 31 yrs 166 days
19 Mark Zanotti 11/08/64 31 yrs 143 days
20 Jason Dunstall 14/08/64 31 yrs 140 days
Average 22/06/63 32 yrs 193 days
1997    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Justin Madden 31/05/61 35 yrs 215 days
2 Gary Ablett 1/10/61 35 yrs 92 days
3 Chris Langford 2/01/63 33 yrs 364 days
4 John Platten 17/03/63 33 yrs 290 days
5 Paul Roos 27/06/63 33 yrs 188 days
6 Stephen Kernahan 1/09/63 33 yrs 122 days
7 Greg Williams 30/09/63 33 yrs 93 days
8 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 33 yrs 70 days
9 David Hart 3/03/64 32 yrs 304 days
10 Richard Osborne 16/06/64 32 yrs 199 days
11 Andrew Bews 19/07/64 32 yrs 166 days
12 Paul Couch 19/07/64 32 yrs 166 days
13 Jason Dunstall 14/08/64 32 yrs 140 days
14 Andrew Obst 19/08/64 32 yrs 135 days
15 Paul Salmon 20/01/65 31 yrs 346 days
16 Darren Kappler 23/01/65 31 yrs 343 days
17 Michael McLean 3/03/65 31 yrs 304 days
18 Peter Dean 9/03/65 31 yrs 298 days
19 Earl Spalding 11/03/65 31 yrs 296 days
20 Lazar Vidovic 1/04/65 31 yrs 275 days
Average 5/02/64 32 yrs 330 days
1998    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Paul Roos 27/06/63 34 yrs 188 days
2 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 34 yrs 70 days
3 Richard Osborne 16/06/64 33 yrs 199 days
4 Andrew Bews 19/07/64 33 yrs 166 days
5 Jason Dunstall 14/08/64 33 yrs 140 days
6 Paul Salmon 20/01/65 32 yrs 346 days
7 Darren Kappler 23/01/65 32 yrs 343 days
8 Peter Dean 9/03/65 32 yrs 298 days
9 Gary O'Donnell 12/05/65 32 yrs 234 days
10 Mark Roberts 28/06/65 32 yrs 187 days
11 Nicky Winmar 25/09/65 32 yrs 98 days
12 Chris Mainwaring 27/12/65 32 yrs 5 days
13 Tony Liberatore 11/02/66 31 yrs 324 days
14 Tony Lockett 9/03/66 31 yrs 298 days
15 Todd Viney 30/03/66 31 yrs 277 days
16 Jim Stynes 23/04/66 31 yrs 253 days
17 Brett Lovett 20/05/66 31 yrs 226 days
18 John Blakey 24/07/66 31 yrs 161 days
19 Michael Gale 21/12/66 31 yrs 11 days
20 Darren Jarman 28/01/67 30 yrs 338 days
Average 13/07/65 32 yrs 172 days
1999    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 35 yrs 70 days
2 Paul Salmon 20/01/65 33 yrs 346 days
3 Mark Roberts 28/06/65 33 yrs 187 days
4 Nicky Winmar 25/09/65 33 yrs 98 days
5 Chris Mainwaring 27/12/65 33 yrs 5 days
6 Tony Liberatore 11/02/66 32 yrs 324 days
7 Tony Lockett 9/03/66 32 yrs 298 days
8 Todd Viney 30/03/66 32 yrs 277 days
9 John Blakey 24/07/66 32 yrs 161 days
10 Darren Jarman 28/01/67 31 yrs 338 days
11 Stephen Silvagni 31/05/67 31 yrs 215 days
12 Darren Bewick 21/08/67 31 yrs 133 days
13 Garry Lyon 13/09/67 31 yrs 110 days
14 Gavin Brown 25/09/67 31 yrs 98 days
15 Jamie Shanahan 6/12/67 31 yrs 26 days
16 Craig Sholl 30/12/67 31 yrs 2 days
17 Barry Stoneham 9/02/68 30 yrs 326 days
18 Dean Rice 17/03/68 30 yrs 290 days
19 Andrew McGovern 7/04/68 30 yrs 269 days
20 Richard Champion 14/04/68 30 yrs 262 days
Average 16/11/66 32 yrs 46 days
2000    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 36 yrs 70 days
2 Paul Salmon 20/01/65 34 yrs 346 days
3 Tony Liberatore 11/02/66 33 yrs 324 days
4 John Blakey 24/07/66 33 yrs 161 days
5 Darren Jarman 28/01/67 32 yrs 338 days
6 Stephen Silvagni 31/05/67 32 yrs 215 days
7 Darren Bewick 21/08/67 32 yrs 133 days
8 Gavin Brown 25/09/67 32 yrs 98 days
9 Jamie Shanahan 6/12/67 32 yrs 26 days
10 Craig Sholl 30/12/67 32 yrs 2 days
11 Barry Stoneham 9/02/68 31 yrs 326 days
12 Dean Rice 17/03/68 31 yrs 290 days
13 Richard Champion 14/04/68 31 yrs 262 days
14 Dale Kickett 4/05/68 31 yrs 242 days
15 Stuart Loewe 23/05/68 31 yrs 223 days
16 Brett Allison 26/05/68 31 yrs 220 days
17 Alastair Lynch 19/06/68 31 yrs 196 days
18 Andrew Dunkley 29/06/68 31 yrs 186 days
19 Brendan Gale 18/07/68 31 yrs 167 days
20 Michael Martyn 31/08/68 31 yrs 123 days
Average 24/07/67 32 yrs 161 days
2001    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 37 yrs 70 days
2 Tony Liberatore 11/02/66 34 yrs 324 days
3 John Blakey 24/07/66 34 yrs 161 days
4 Darren Jarman 28/01/67 33 yrs 338 days
5 Stephen Silvagni 31/05/67 33 yrs 215 days
6 Dean Rice 17/03/68 32 yrs 290 days
7 Dale Kickett 4/05/68 32 yrs 242 days
8 Stuart Loewe 23/05/68 32 yrs 223 days
9 Alastair Lynch 19/06/68 32 yrs 196 days
10 Andrew Dunkley 29/06/68 32 yrs 186 days
11 Brendan Gale 18/07/68 32 yrs 167 days
12 Michael Martyn 31/08/68 32 yrs 123 days
13 Garry Hocking 8/10/68 32 yrs 85 days
14 Wayne Schwass 27/11/68 32 yrs 35 days
15 Dean Kemp 17/02/69 31 yrs 318 days
16 Tony Modra 1/03/69 31 yrs 306 days
17 Peter Matera 3/04/69 31 yrs 273 days
18 Dale Lewis 4/05/69 31 yrs 242 days
19 Nigel Smart 21/05/69 31 yrs 225 days
20 John Barnes 1/06/69 31 yrs 214 days
Average 3/03/68 32 yrs 304 days
2002    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Craig Bradley 23/10/63 38 yrs 70 days
2 Paul Salmon 20/01/65 36 yrs 346 days
3 Tony Liberatore 11/02/66 35 yrs 324 days
4 Tony Lockett 9/03/66 35 yrs 298 days
5 John Blakey 24/07/66 35 yrs 161 days
6 Dale Kickett 4/05/68 33 yrs 242 days
7 Stewart Loewe 23/05/68 33 yrs 223 days
8 Alastair Lynch 19/06/68 33 yrs 196 days
9 Andrew Dunkley 29/06/68 33 yrs 186 days
10 Michael Martyn 31/08/68 33 yrs 123 days
11 Wayne Schwass 27/11/68 33 yrs 35 days
12 Peter Matera 3/04/69 32 yrs 273 days
13 Nigel Smart 21/05/69 32 yrs 225 days
14 Tony Woods 2/07/69 32 yrs 183 days
15 Paul Kelly 28/07/69 32 yrs 157 days
16 Mark Bickley 4/08/69 32 yrs 150 days
17 Steven Febey 19/08/69 32 yrs 135 days
18 Nathan Burke 6/02/70 31 yrs 329 days
19 Andrew McKay 14/04/70 31 yrs 262 days
20 Matthew Burton 19/05/70 31 yrs 227 days
Average 1/05/68 33 yrs 245 days
2003*    
Name D.O.B. Age (Jan 1)
1 Alastair Lynch 19/06/68 34 yrs 196 days
2 Peter Matera 3/04/69 33 yrs 273 days
3 Nigel Smart 21/05/69 33 yrs 225 days
4 Mark Bickley 4/08/69 33 yrs 150 days
5 Nathan Burke 6/02/70 32 yrs 329 days
6 Andrew McKay 14/04/70 32 yrs 262 days
7 Matthew Burton 19/05/70 32 yrs 227 days
8 Stephen Paxman 4/12/70 32 yrs 28 days
9 Shaun Hart 17/05/71 31 yrs 229 days
10 Daryn Cresswell 22/05/71 31 yrs 224 days
11 Wayne Carey 27/05/71 31 yrs 219 days
12 Anthony Stevens 2/07/71 31 yrs 183 days
13 Brett Ratten 11/07/71 31 yrs 174 days
14 Michael Mansfield 8/08/71 31 yrs 146 days
15 Robert Harvey 21/08/71 31 yrs 133 days
16 Marcus Ashcroft 25/09/71 31 yrs 98 days
17 Troy Wilson 19/01/72 30 yrs 347 days
18 David King 7/03/72 30 yrs 300 days
19 Adrian Hickmott 30/03/72 30 yrs 277 days
20 Stuart Maxfield 9/04/72 30 yrs 267 days
Average 18/12/70 32 yrs 14 days

*Current list as at 11 Nov 2002

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Season 2002

Games

H & A

Finals

Total

Average
ADELAIDE

25

744,893

172,347 (3)

917.240

36,690
BRISBANE

25

667,176

156,718 (3)

823,894

32,956
CARLTON

22

740,933

0

740,933

33,679
COLLINGWOOD

25

1,109,747

213,908 (3)

1,323,655

52,946
ESSENDON

24

1,000,916

65,136 (2)

1,066,052

46,350
FREMANTLE

22

528,914

0

528,914

24,009
GEELONG

22

665,713

0

665,713

30,351
HAWTHORN

22

776,517

0

776,517

35,296
KANGAROOS

23

564,244

53,967 (1)

618,211

26,879
MELBOURNE

24

659,776

105,500 (2)

765,276

31,886
PORT ADELAIDE

25

607,192

93,839 (3)

701,031

28,041
RICHMOND

22

776,103

0

776,103

35,277
ST KILDA

22

584,457

0

584,457

26,566
SYDNEY

22

603,604

0

603,604

27,436
WEST COAST

23

632,163

37,475 (1)

669,638

29,115

Totals

185

5,643,542

449,445

6,092,987

32,935

 

 

October 5, 2002

Dissecting draw 2003

Martin Windsor-Black provides his insight to the 2003 premiership draw released by the League on October 3.

It's interesting to note that whilst Collingwood are being very vocal (Eddie in particular) about the salary cap concessions given to Brisbane and Sydney (both non-AFL states), why has their been no talk about the concessions given to Collingwood in the 2003 draw.

<> Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon have just 4 interstate trips in season 2003 – the fewest in the league.  If that was bad enough, Collingwood are the only team who does not travel to Perth.

Looking further into Collingwood's draw, they have their first 3 matches in Melbourne, play in the Grand Final Rematch in their first game at the Gabba since Round 9, 2000.  Then another couple of matches in Melbourne, a short trip over the border to Football Park, followed by another 2 matches in Melbourne and another trip over to Adelaide.  Then in the last 12 matches they have just one trip outside of Melbourne – a short trip to Sydney's Homebush Stadium in Round 21. That's 10 consecutive matches in Melbourne plus the week off, meaning that in just over 3 months they have just one interstate trip.  And have the Pies become night owls with 14 night matches – the most of any team?

<> Geelong would be pleased that they are the only team who does not visit Adelaide after 12 trips to Adelaide in the last 6 years.  Their record at Football Park is not great with just 2 wins in 16 visits (1999-R4 v PA and 2000-R3 v Ade).

<> Of the Victorian clubs, Geelong (R7/8), Hawthorn (R2/3), Kangaroos (R8/9 & R17/18), Melbourne (R20/21), Richmond (R13/14) and the Western Bulldogs (R11/12) all have consecutive interstate matches.  The Hawks have 4 interstate trips in the 7 rounds between R13 and R19, Richmond have 4 interstate trips in 6 rounds between R9 and 14 and the Western Bulldogs have 3 interstate trips in the 4 rounds between R9 and R12.

<> The Bulldogs (or was that Bullbogs?) have become the Sunday specialists with 14 Sunday matches.

<> Brisbane and Fremantle have no Friday night matches (although Brisbane do play the Pies on the Thursday night before Easter) as Brisbane have the majority of their matches on Saturday night and Fremantle have 13 Sunday games.

<> Essendon (9) and Collingwood (7) play the most Friday matches with Hawthorn and Kangaroos the next most with just 4 Friday night matches.

<> It's interesting the the Kangaroos have adopted the Docklands as their home ground with 6 matches there, 3 at the MCG and 2 at Manuka Oval.

<> Sydney are the away team against the Western Bulldogs at the SCG in Round 12 for the 4th year in a row (with the Bulldogs winning the first 3), and Melbourne host Brisbane again at the Gabba in Round 10 for the 3rd successive year in a row (Brisbane's last home match against Melbourne at the Gabba was in 1999).

<> The Cats and the Dogs are meeting in the opening round for the first time in 20 years (since 1983)   As it will be played at the Docklands under a roof, it would be interesting to hear if the line comes from the commentary box about it raining Cats and Dogs indoors - especially if it is raining Cats and Dogs outside.  (I don't recall it used in R13-2000 which was also under a closed roof).

<> In regards to Brownlow betting for 2003 - Geelong's opponents in Round 21 are : Brisbane Lions. Could the Lions create history with a unique double-triple?

<> MWB's breakdown of venues, number of games at each venue, when they will be played ...
AFL Draw 2003 ... more ...

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October 3, 2002

Focus on the 2002 Grand Final

Brisbane inflicted Collingwood's 24th Grand Final loss (and their first in 21 years). 

Brisbane have added their name on the most prestigious list of them all - clubs who have beaten Collingwood in a Grand Final.  They now number 10:

Premierships
1 Essendon 1901 1911
2 Fitzroy 1905 1922
3 Carlton 1915 1938 1970 1979 1981
4 South Melbourne 1918
5 Richmond 1920 1980
6 Geelong 1925 1937 1952
7 Melbourne 1926 1939 1955 1956 1960 1964
8 St.Kilda 1966
9 North Melbourne 1977
10 Brisbane 2002

<> The 1911, 1918, 1964, 1966, 1979 and 2002 premierships all resulted in single digit margins.

<> The 2002 Grand Final was also only the 4th Grand Final with single digit margins at the end of each quarter. 

<> The others were —
1903 (Margins 1, 5, 4  & 2),
1909 (0, 0, 7, 2) and
1966 (4, 1, 4, 1).

<> St.Kilda remains the only team which has beaten Collingwood by a point in any finals match - 1965-SF & 1966-GF.

<> Brisbane's score of 10.15(75) is the lowest winning score of all 23 matches between the two clubs and the aggregate score of 141 is also the lowest.

<> Although it was played at the MCG, it was Brisbane's 6th consecutive home victory against Collingwood – equalling Collingwood's 6 home victories between 1987 and 1996.

<> Brisbane have had just two goalless quarters against Collingwood – 1988-R1 Q1 and 2002-GF Q1 – 14 years apart! (virtually 15 seasons considering the gap between R1 and a GF)

<> In a year where crowds have been down, more people attended Collingwood and Brisbane than in any of their previous 21 meetings (46,279 in Rnd 8 and 91,817 in the Grand Final) since 1987.

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September 18, 2002

DID YOU KNOW? ...

I wonder if Craig Bradley will continue to play with Carlton next year. 

His last game this year was in Round 19 on August 10 against Port Adelaide at Princes Park when he gathered 30 disposals 

He was 38 years 291 days which puts him 6th on the all time list.

The oldest players in VFL-AFL football since 1897 are —

43 years 48 days – Vic Cumberland (Mel/StK)
39 years 296 days – Jack Leith (Mel)
39 years 239 days – Sid Barker (Rch/Ess/NM)
39 years 180 days – Jim Flynn (Gee/Car)
39 years 95 days – Ted Rowell (Col)
38 years 291 days – Craig Bradley (Car)
38 years 144 days – Les 'Flapper' Hughes (Col)
38 years 122 days – Charlie Hardy (Ess)
38 years 106 days – Teddy Rankin (Gee)
38 years 96 days – Michael Tuck (Haw)
38 years 74 days – Bill Proudfoot (Col)

Bradley will pass Jack Leith if he continues until after August 15 next year.

I was also wondering, Is Sam Mitchell's 10 best on grounds out of 11 matches he played in this year's VFL J J Liston Trophy is best ever?  (He also played 9 fine games for the Hawks)  With such a disappointing season, at least things are starting to look brighter for the future of the brown and gold.

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September 8, 2002

DID YOU KNOW? ...

Port Adelaide's score of 14.11(95) in the 1st Qualifying Final against Collingwood was the 8th such scoreline for this season which has equalled the 8 times it occurred in 1976 and the 8 occurrences of 13.11(89) this year.

These are the other 7 occurrences of this scoreline this season:

2002-R4-FP      PA  23.10(148) v Car 14.11 (95)  H by 53 pts
2002-R10-Dok(n) Col 14.11 (95) v Syd 12.12 (84)  H by 11 pts
2002-R11-Dok(n) Kan 14.11 (95) v Rch 11.18 (84)  H by 11 pts
2002-R15-Dok    Car 14.11 (95) v Mel 21.13(139)  A by 44 pts
2002-R16-Dok(n) Ess  8. 8 (56) v Gee 14.11 (95)  A by 39 pts
2002-R16-FP     Ade 21.12(138) v WB  14.11 (95)  H by 43 pts
2002-R20-MCG    Mel 15.17(107) v WB  14.11 (95)  H by 12 pts

See also, *117 wins for the 'Home' side is the highest* number in a season — the detail is at the end of the *Stats 2002* file ... more ...

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THEY SAID IT  ...

Ben's all Hart
GEOFF McCLURE, Sporting Life, The Age, Sept. 6 —

He's been called everything from Marathon Man to Mr Indestructible and now we know why.

Take a bow, Ben Hart, who, like Geelong's Brenton Sanderson last year, has managed to negotiate every minute of every game of the 2002 home-and-away season, all 43 hours 43 minutes 17 seconds of them.

Which is quite a performance, particularly when you check further through the 28-year-old Adelaide defender's career, because since joining the club in 1992 he has missed only six of his team's 252 games, including only two in the past seven years, from a calf injury in 2001 and a hamstring setback in 1999.

Now, not once being benched, injured or sent off because of blood in an entire season is quite a feat, but one that was also almost achieved by several players, most notably Western Bulldog star Luke Darcy, who was off the field only once in 2002, for three minutes in round 16.

And there were another six players who also played in every round and spent time on the bench only twice – Brisbane's Marcus Ashcroft, Adelaide's Tyson Edwards, Geelong's Tom Harley and Matthew Scarlett, Essendon's Mark Johnson and Sydney's Jason Saddington.

 

 

 

DID YOU KNOW? ...

<> Subscriber PETER COATMAN noted that Carlton had twice kicked 4.9-33 in season 2002 —
R2-PP — 4.9-33 v Sydney 17.9-111
R18(n)-MCG — 4.9-33 v Collingwood 21.15-141

Peter posed the question of similar occurrences, which sent MWB into the record books.

His work reveals that in League footy, 9 times is the highest occurrence on 2 occasions. It also showed that 13.11 has occurred 8 times this season — one scoreline to watch out for in the finals.

The most common scorelines of all-time in 12,173 games are:
10.11 — 216 times
11.13 — 212 times
10.12 — 210 times
12.12 — 204 times
11.12 — 195 times
10.13 — 193 times
11.10 — 190 times
11.11 — 190 times
9.10  — 186 times
12.11 — 185 times

Martin has been beta testing a remarkable piece of new computer software created by ERIC SORENSEN called *Footy Works* – a statistical tool which knows no boundaries.

If this has watered your statophile interest, stand by for more!

 

 

 

September 6, 2002

Highest number of scorelines in a season


I have extracted the following out of Eric Sorensen's *Footy Works* ... more ...

Highest Number of Scorelines in a season

9 times
15.14(104) - 1987
12.12(84) - 1995

8 times
2.6(18) - 1900
7.12(54) - 1913
10.10(70) - 1951
10.9(69) 1965
14.11(95) - 1976
12.12(84) - 1998
15.11(101) - 1999
13.11(89) - 2002

7 times
19 occurrences - most recent:
14.11(95) - 2002

6 times
68 occurrences - most recent:
18.10(118) - 2002

5 times
over 200 occurrences - 10 this season

Also, have a look at Collingwood's record in their 12 matches in Round 4 since 1990 ...

1990 v Fsc - Win
1991 v StK - Draw
1992 v Ess - Win
1993 v StK - Loss
1994 - Bye
1995 v Ess - Draw
1996 v Fre - Win
1997 v Car - Loss
1998 v Rch - Win
1999 v Rch - Loss
2000 v Syd - Win
2001 v Rch - Loss
2002 v Haw - Win
 - This is the equal most consecutive matches with Different Outcomes by any club in any given Round.

The 12 match streak equals Carlton's performance in their Round 5 matches between 1911 and 1922, and Collingwood's Round 7 matches between 1951 and 1962.

Richmond have had different outcomes in their Round 4 matches since 1991.

Likewise West Coast in Round 11 since 1994, Geelong in Round 12 since 1994, Melbourne in Round 19 since 1994, Richmond in Round 22 since 1995, Melbourne in Round 14 since 1996 and Sydney in Round 19 since 1996

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September 5, 2002

Scoring parallels in a season ...

<> Subscriber PETER COATMAN noted that Carlton had twice kicked 4.9-33 in season 2002 —
R2-PP — 4.9-33 v Sydney 17.9-111
R18(n)-MCG — 4.9-33 v Collingwood 21.15-141

Peter posed the question of similar occurrences, which sent MWB into the record books.

His work reveals that in League footy, 9 times is the highest occurrence on 2 occasions. It also showed that 13.11 has occurred 8 times this season — one scoreline to watch out for in the finals.

The most common scorelines of all-time in 12,173 games are:
10.11 — 216 times
11.13 — 212 times
10.12 — 210 times
12.12 — 204 times
11.12 — 195 times
10.13 — 193 times
11.10 — 190 times
11.11 — 190 times
9.10  — 186 times
12.11 — 185 times

Martin, as I have in recent times, have been beta testing a remarkable piece of new computer software created by ERIC SORENSEN called *Footy Works* – a statistical tool which knows no boundaries.

More on *Footy Works* in the coming days — which I conservatively label as the most remarkable development for statistical purposes yet created for Australian Football.

If this has watered your statophile interest, stand by for more!

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September 2, 2002

DID YOU KNOW? ...

  • Port Adelaide, Brisbane and Adelaide are the only teams not to be defeated by sides in the bottom half of the ladder.  Against those sides Port Adelaide won 10-0, Brisbane 12-0 and Adelaide 13-0.
  • Against sides in the top 8, Port Adelaide had an 8-4 record (66.7% win), Collingwood and Melbourne also had a 66.7% return with a 6-3 record against the top sides.  To the other extreme Adelaide, won just 2 matches out of 9 against the sides in the top 8 - against Brisbane and Essendon at Football Park.
  • Port Adelaide and Brisbane had the best 'home' and 'away' records in 2002.  At 'home', Brisbane won 11-0. Port Adelaide 10-1, West Coast, Adelaide, Collingwood and Fremantle finished with a 9-2 'home' record
  • 'Away' Port Adelaide won 8-3, Brisbane, Adelaide and Geelong 6-5 were the only teams to win more matches away than they lost.
  • Fremantle were the only team who failed to win 'away' from home.
  • Western Bulldogs and Sydney recorded the highest end of season percentages for their respective positions on the ladder (11th and 12th)
  • Adelaide have finished with their highest percentage since they won back-to-back premierships (in 1997-98)
  • Brisbane's equalled their 17-5 record last year but this years percentage is their second highest - their highest was 144.94% in 1999.  Until last year's Grand Final Brisbane had neither won a final in Melbourne nor lost a final at the Gabba.
  • Carlton's percentage of 73.13% is their lowest since 1901 when they finished with 46.99%.
  • For the 8th consecutive season Fremantle have not reached a final percentage of 100%.  Their best percentage was in their first season in 1995 - 92.85%
  • Kangaroos have played their last 19 finals at the MCG.  Apart from their first final in 1945, which was held at Princes Park, all their 60 finals since have been at the MCG or Waverley.
  • Port Adelaide have won their first minor premiership but are yet to win a match in the finals.  They lost to Kangaroos in 1999 and to Brisbane and Hawthorn in 2001.
  • Richmond's percentage of 88.33% is their lowest since 1993.
  • Sydney have had a percentage of 100% or more for the 8th consecutive season (since 1995) - the current league record.  In 1994 they finished with 78.07%.  South Melbourne had a 13 season streak of 100% or more between 1907 and 1920
  • West Coast have not reached a final percentage of 100% for 3 seasons since 1999.

    • Lowest finishes for teams with 100% or more

    12th - Sydney (1995) - 100.652%
        Western Bulldogs (2002) - 103.963%

    11th     - Collingwood in (1996) - 102.848%
        Sydney (2002) - 106.521%

    10th     - Melbourne (1993) - 112.173%
        St.Kilda (1996) - 100.984%
        Collingwood (1997) - 111.412%
        Sydney (2000) - 101.577%

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September 2, 2002

Minor premiership decided in last round

The meeting at Football Park on Saturday between Brisbane and Port Adelaide decided the minor premiership. It doesn't happen that often in the last round of the home-and-away season.

Going back more than 70 years, these are the instances that were found —

2002
After Round 21 the ladder stood --
Brisbane --- 17+4, 68pts, 139.0
Port Adel --- 17+4, 68pts, 133.6
In the 22nd and final round,
PA 13.12-90 d Bri 13.6-84 at Football Park
The ladder finished --
Port Adel --- 18+4, 72pts, 132.4%
Brisbane --- 17+5, 68pts, 136.7%

1998
After Round 21 the ladder stood --
Kangaroos -- 15+6, 60pts, 118.1%
Bulldogs ----- 15+6, 60pts, 117.8%
In the 22nd and final round,
Kan 17.11-113 d WB 16.12-108, at MCG, crowd, 68,050
The ladder finished --
Kangaroos -- 16+6, 64pts, 117.4%
Bulldogs ----- 15+7, 60pts, 116.5%

1963
After Round 17 the ladder stood --
Hawthorn -- 13+3+1, 54pts, 136.9%
Geelong ---- 12+4+1, 50pts, 125.9%
In the 18th and final round,
Gee 13.12-90 d Haw 6.16-52 at Glenferrie Oval
The ladder finished --
Hawthorn -- 13+4+1, 54pts, 130.6%
Geelong ---- 13+4+1, 54pts, 128.2%

1949
After Round 18 the ladder stood --
Carlton -- 13+5, 52pts, 133.4%
C'wood -- 13+5, 52pts, 125.8%
NthMelb -- 13+5, 52pts, 115.2%
In the 19th and final round,
NM 15.18-108 d Car 7.10-52 at Arden Street
StK 11.15-81 d Col 10.12-72 at Junction Oval
The ladder finished --
NthMelb -- 14+5, 56pts, 119.1%
Carlton --- 13+6, 52pts, 126.4%
C'wood --- 13+6, 52pts, 123.5%

1943
After Round 15 the ladder stood --
please note, teams received 4pts for an earlier bye ...
Essendon - 10+4, 44pts, 119.3%
Carlton ------ 9+5, 40pts, 128.4%
Richmond -- 9+5, 40pts, 122.1%
Fitzroy -------- 9+5, 40pts, 108.2%
Hawthorn --- 9+5, 40pts, 104.2%
In the 16th and final round,
Rch 14.14-98 d Ess 10.11-71 at Windy Hill
Fit 12.12-84 d Car 10.9-69 at Brunswick Street
NM 8.11-59 d Haw 7.16-58 at Arden Street
The ladder finished --
Richmond -- 10+5, 44pts, 123.1%
Essendon -- 10+5, 44pts, 115.2%
Fitzroy -------- 10+5, 44pts, 109.0%
Carlton ------- 9+6, 40pts 125.0%
Hawthorn ---- 9+6, 40pts, 103.9%

1941
After Round 17 the ladder stood --
Melbourne -- 14+3, 56pts, 120.0%
Carlton ------- 13+4, 52pts, 119.9%
Richmond --- 13+4, 52pts, 114.1%
In the 18th and final round,
Car 16.17-113 d Mel 11.22-88 at Princes Park
The ladder finished --
Carlton ------- 14+4, 56pts, 120.3%
Melbourne --- 14+4, 56pts, 117.2%

1934
After Round 17 the ladder stood --
Geelong ----   14+2+1, 58pts, 141.4%
Richmond --  14+3, 56pts, 119.7%
SthMelb ------ 13+4, 52pts, 138.9%
In the 18th and final round,
Rch 11.16-82 d Haw 7.9-51 at Glenferrie Oval
SM 13.9-97 d Gee 8.7-55 at Lake Oval, Albert Park
The ladder finished --
Richmond --  15+3, 60pts, 121.3%
Geelong ----- 14+3+1, 58pts, 135.4%
SthMelb ------ 14+4, 56pts, 140.2%

1931
After Round 17 the ladder stood --
Richmond -- 15+2, 60pts, 146.8%
Geelong ----- 14+3, 56pts, 151.6%
in the 18th and final round --
Gee 11.17-83 d Rch 8.8-56 at Punt Road
The ladder finished --
Geelong ----- 15+3, 60pts, 151.4%
Richmond -- 15+3, 60pts, 141.1%

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August 23, 2002

International Cup results

Round 1
Wednesday, August 14

POOL A

Papua New Guinea 5.2, 9.4, 11.7 — 13.11 (89)
Great Britain 0.0, 0.1, 0.1 — 2.2 (14)

Goals:
PNG: Maha 8, Gibson 3, Keu 2, Meli, Gavuri, Aupae, Vuluka
GB: Norton, Lovekin
Best:
PNG: Yangomina, Maha, Gavara, Lowa, Gavuri.
GB: Westbrook, Rees, Sullivan, Silverthorne, Bell

Nauru 4.7, 8.8, 14.15 — 17.17 (119)
Japan 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 — 1.8 (14)

Goals:
Naura: Baguga 7, Tannang 3, Cook 3, Aliklik 2, Joram , Namaduk
Japan: Tanaka
Best:
Nauru: A. Spanner, A. Canon, Baguga, Gioura, Talcka, Cook, Tannang
Japan: Hole, Kobayashi, Ellsmore, Shirai, Kojima
Denmark: BYE

POOL B

USA 2.2, 4.3, 5.5 — 7.10 (52)
Samoa 2.5, 3.6, 4.7 — 4.7 (31)

Goals:
USA: Ternes 3, Becker 2, Loring, Curry
Samoa: Tualafo 3, Fuamatu
Best:
USA: Martin, Curry, Trost, Ternes, Messenger
Samoa: Masaga, Faalelei, Tootoo, McKinnon


New Zealand 4.4, 14.6, 18.9 — 25.13 (163)
South Africa 0.1, 0.1, 0.1 — 0.1 (1)

Goals:
NZ: Serci 7, Hart 4, Froggatt 2, Evens 2, Hema 2, Bowden 2, Bradley 2, Douthat, Roff, Gawn, Ball
SA: -
Best:
NZ: Serci, Hema, Hart, Malcom, Bradley, Roff, Seversinsen
SA: Mokgobadi, Modisane, Moeng, , Moroeng, Hlomela, Seabelo

Ireland 3.3, 3.9, 5.10 — 7.14 (56)
Canada 2.0, 3.2, 4.7 — 4.7 (31)

Goals:
Ireland: Coomey 2, Kiely, O'Connor, O'Sullivan, Shortall, Kelly
Canada: Korpela 2, Borysiewicz, McFarlane
Best:
Ireland: Cunnane, Johnson, Mulligan, O'Connor, Flood, Boylan, Bradshaw
Canada: Borysiewicz, Cowling, Robinson, Leyhane, Nord
Injuries:
Ireland: Mulligan (ankle)
Canada: Bateman (concussion), Korpela (eye)

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Round 2
Thursday, August 15

POOL A

Papua New Guinea 1.3, 3.9, 4.12 — 9.15 (69)
Denmark 1.2, 2.2, 3.3 — 3.5 (23)

Goals:
PNG: Gibson 5, Maha, Bosko, Dau, Meli
Den: Rasmussen 2, Krolmark
Best:
PNG: Lowa, Gibson, Loggha, Valuka, Maha, Gavuri, D.Lai
Den: Hartler, Krolmark, Stprgaard, Srensen, Schulin


Great Britain 2.0, 4.2, 5.2 — 9.11 (65)
Nauru 2.2, 4.8, 6.9 — 8.11 (59)

Goals:
GB: Rees 2, Lovekin 2, Bell, Silverthorne, Boyle, Maynard, Shaw
Nauru: Baguga 2, Aliklik 2, Detenamo, Jeremiah, Tom, Gioura
Best:
GB:Simpson, Boyle, Bell, Chaplin, Rees
Nauru: A.Spanner, P.Hartman, Canon, Agir, Baguga, Tom, B.Hartman

POOL B

Canada 1.6, 1.6, 1.8 — 4.11 (35)
South Africa 0.1, 0.1, 1.1 — 1.5 (11)

Goals:
Can: McFarlane 2, Bannon, Wells
SA:Hlomela
Best:
Can: Travers, Holmes, Layhare, McFarlane
SA: Moeng, Seabelo, Hlomela, Modisane


Ireland 2.1, 3.6, 4.6 — 5.6 (36)
Samoa 2.3, 3.4, 4.5 — 4.5 (29)

Goals:
Ire: Stynes 2, Boylan, Currane, Fbod
Sam: Tualafo 2, Tavana, Faalelei
Best:
Ire: Stynes, McFlyne, Johnson, Bradshaw, Lane, Flood
Sam: Tootoo, Faalelei, Masaga, Pesamino


New Zealand 3.1, 7.4, 9.7 — 11.12 (78)
USA 1.1, 1.1, 3.1 — 4.1 (25)

Goals:
NZ: Goodall 2, Ball 2, Serci 2, Froggatt, Bradley, Malcolm, Severinsen, Roff
USA: Ternes 2, Dainauski, Purcell
Best:
NZ: Seversinsen, Hema, Stratford, Hart, Ball, Doust, Hunter
USA: Lucero, Martin, Ellis, Amstutz, Loring

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Round 3
Saturday, August 17, 2002

POOL A

Great Britain 3.2, 3.3, 5.3 — 7.3 (45)
Japan 1.1, 2.4, 3.5 — 4.6 (30)

Goals:
GB: Lovekin 3, Boyle, Norton, Rees, Burchell
Japan: Shirai 2, Kumagai, Nosaka
Best:
GB: Simpson, Boyle, Rees, Chaplin
Japan: Seto, Kase, Sugitani, Nosaka, Shirai, Fukushima, Wroe

Denmark 3.2, 5.6, 5.8 — 5.10 (40)
Nauru 0.3, 1.5, 2.7 — 3.9 (27)

Goals:
Den: Krolmark 2, Rasmussen 2, Rose
Nauru: Tannang, Canon, Jeremiah
Best:
Den: Storgaard, Ollgaard, Svensson, Finnsson, Schulin
Nauru:Canon, Tom, Uepa, P.Hartman, Timothy, C.Hartman

Papua New Guinea – BYE

POOL B

Samoa 4.2, 8.3, 11.6 — 12.15 (87)
South Africa 0.2, 1.3, 1.4 — 1.4 (10)

Goals:
Samoa: Tualafo 5, Amosa 2, Duke 2, Tavana, Tootoo, Soi
SA: Mothupi
Best:
Samou: Tualafo, Fuamatu, Amosa, Faalelei
SA: Lenyidi, Moroeng, Ntlatseng, Motuba

New Zealand 4.3, 7.5, 9.6 — 10.8 (68)
Canada 0.1, 0.2, 2.3 — 2.6 (18)

Goals:
NZ: Serci 7, Goodall 2, Pidgeon
Can: Holmes, Wells
Best:
NZ: Serci, Hunter, Stratford, Seversinsen, Goodall, Bowden, Pidgeon
Can: Siddiqui, Dimacakos, Stewart, Simnett, Block

Ireland 3.1, 5.4, 6.6 — 7.7 (49)
USA 1.1, 2.1, 5.1 — 6.3 (39)

Goals:
Ire: O’Connor 2, Burns, R.McFlynn, Denham, Coomey, Shortall
USA:Ternes, Thumond, Rinkin, Dainauski, Jones, Purcell
Best:
Ire: O’Connor, R.McFlynn, Kelly, Cunnane, N.McFlynn, Coomey
USA: Ellis, Jon Loring, Jones, Martin, Lucero.

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Round 4
Monday, August 19, 2002

POOL A

Denmark 4.2, 6.3, 8.9 — 12.9 (81)
Great Britain 1.0, 2.0, 4.0 — 4.2 (26)
Goals: Den: Krolmark 7, Hansen 2, Rasmussen, Cederholm, Aulin
GB: Shaw 2, Silverthorne, Boyle
Best: Den: Finnsson, Krolmark, Schulin, Hartlev, Yde, Sverson, Jacobsen
GB: Boyle, Rees, Sullivan, Norton, Purcell

Papua New Guinea 5.1, 9.5, 14.8 — 23.9 (147)
Japan 0.0, 0.0, 0.0 — 0.0 (0)
Goals: PNG: Bosko 7, Yangomina 3, Pare 3, Boko 2, Gavara 2, Gavuri 2, Maisu 2, Dau, Aupae
Japan: -
Best: PNG: Boko, Bosko, Aupae, Yangomina, Pare, Gavuri, Dau
Japan: Kobayashi, Tanaka, Kase, Yamatake, Satoru

Nauru - BYE

POOL B

Ireland 2.4, 5.7, 13.7 — 15.8 (98)
South Africa 0.0, 1.0, 1.2 — 3.3 (21)
Goals: Ire: Kiely 4, Boylan 3, O'Connor 2, Kelly, O'Sullivan, Cotter, Griffin, Stynes
SA: Hlomela 2, Mothupi
Best: Ire: Flood, O'Connor, Stynes, Boyle, O'Sullivan, Kiely, Boylan
SA: Hlomela, Motuba, Phogojane, Tlhasdi, Malinga, Seabelo, Morobe

USA 2.1, 3.2, 4.2 — 8.4 (52)
Canada 0.0, 1.1, 1.1 — 1.1(7)
Goals: USA: Ternes 4, Rinklin 2, Ellis 2
Can: Borysiewicz
Best: USA: Martin, Ellis, Lucero, Trost, Japper, Holway
Can: Leyhane, Siddiqui, Travers, Bond, Dimacakos

New Zealand 4.5, 5.7, 7.8 — 10.10 (70)
Samoa 1.1, 2.2, 3.5 — 5.8 (38)
Goals: NZ: Serci 4, Froggatt 4, Goodall, Ellis
Sam: Tavana, McKinnon, Fuamatu, Tiligi, Faalelei
Best: NZ: Stratford, Hunter, Ellis, Hema, Willis, Froggatt, Serci
Sam: Tavana, Pesamino, Faalelei, McKinnon

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Round 5
Wednesday, August 21, 2002

POOL A

Denmark 3.2, 4.3, 9.5 — 10.6 (66)
Japan 0.1, 2.6, 3.6 — 4.7 (32)

Goals
Den: Krolmark 3, Hansen 3, Aulin 2, Cederholm, Finnsson
Japan: Kobayashi 2, Wroe 2
Best
Den: Finnsson, Schulin, Brinks, Holberg, Yde, Anderson
Japan: Kobayashi, Wroe, Tanaka, Seto, Shiba, Ellmore, Yamatake

Papua New Guinea 3.3, 4.4, 8.8 — 13.13(91)
Nauru 4.1, 6.4, 6.6 — 6.8 (44)

Goals
PNG: Maha 4, Bosko 3, Bae 2, Valuka 2, Leka, Gibson
Nauru: Cook 2, Aliklik 2, Namaduk, Notte, Baguga
Best
PNG: Leka, Aupae, Bosko, Maha, Valluka, Meli
Nauru: Agir, Canon, Cook, Namaduk, Aliklik, Grundler, Jere\miah


POOL B

USA 3.1, 7.1, 14.5 — 20.12 (132)
South Africa 0.1, 0.3, 0.4 — 0.4 (4)

Goals
USA - Purcell 8, Curry 3, Dainauski 2, Van Putten 2, McDaniel, Ternes, Jones, C. Ellis, Messenger
South Africa - Nil
Best
USA - T. Ellis, Jagger, McDaniel, Purcell, Hunter
South Africa - Phogojane, Moletsane, Lucky, Motuba, Tlhasedi, Mogorosi, Hlomela

Samoa 2.3, 5.7, 6.9 — 9.15 (69)
Canada 0.1, 0.1, 0.2 — 0.5 (5)

Goals
Samoa - Apulu 3, Tualafo 2, Penu, Leofo, Fuamatu, Tavana
Canada - Nil
Best
Samoa - Fuamatu, Tualafo, Tootoo, Fomai, Atoa, Pesamino
Canada - Siddiqui, Block, Dimacakos, Robinson

Ireland 1.3, 2.7, 2.7 — 4.10 (34)
New Zealand 0.1, 1.1, 2.1 — 3.2 (20)

Goals
Ireland - Stynes 2, Boylan, Sullivan
NZ - Serci, Bowden, Seversinsen
Best
Ireland - Stynes, Cunnane, Shortall, R. McFlynn, N. McFlynn, Johnston, Reidy
NZ - Hunter, Bowden, Ellis, Thomas, Seversinsen, Stratford

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Friday -- Classification matches to determine seeding for future competitions.

Grand Final
Friday, August 23, 2002
played at the MCG, 5pm

Ireland — 3.4, 5.7, 5.8 — 7.9-51
Papua New Guinea — 0.0, 0.2, 1.4 — 2.7-19

Goals
Ireland: Commey 3, O'Sullivan, Stynes, Kelly, O'Connor.
PNG: Leka, V. Lai.
Best:
Ireland: Commey, Flood, Denham, R.McFlynn.
PNG: Tandawaui, Rae, D. Lai, Yangomina.

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FINAL STANDINGS

Pool A P W L For Against  % Pts
PNG 4 4 0 58.48(396) 11.15(81)   488.89 16
Great Britain 4 3 1 30.25(205) 29.30(204)   100.49 12
Denmark 4 2 2 22.23(155) 28.40(208)     74.52 8
Nauru 4 1 3 34.45(249) 28.42(210)   118.57 4
Japan 4 0 4 9.21(86) 57.35(377)     22.81 0
Pool B P W L For Against  % Pts
Ireland 5 5 0 38.45(273) 20.20(140)   195.00 20
New Zealand 5 4 1 59.45(399) 15.26(116)   343.97 16
U.S.A. 5 3 2 45.30(300) 23.31(169)   177.51 12
Samoa 5 2 3 34.50(254) 23.35(173)   146.82 8
Canada 5 1 4 11.30(96) 42.50(302)     31.79 4
South Africa 5 0 5 5.17(47) 82.49(541)       8.69 0

FRIDAY 23 AUGUST 2002
Grand Final: Friday, MCG, 5pm -- Papua New Guinea (Winner Pool A) v Ireland (Winner Pool B)
live on Fox Footy Channel – check your local guides

Classification Matches
(To determine seeding for future competition)
Venue: Junction Oval, St Kilda
12.30pm Japan (5th Pool A) v. Canada (5th Pool B) for Ninth
2.00pm Denmark (3rd Pool A) v. U.S.A. (3rd Pool B) for Fifth
Venue: Victoria Park, Collingwood
12.30pm Nauru (4th Pool A) v. Samoa (4th Pool B) for Seventh
2.00pm Great Britain (2nd Pool A) v. New Zealand (2nd Pool B) for Third
South Africa (6th Pool B) finishes Eleventh

The World Rankings before the tournament were:
1. PNG
2. Ireland
3. Nauru
4. Denmark
5. USA
6. Samoa
7. New Zealand
8. Great Britain
9. Canada
10. Japan
11. South Africa

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MELBOURNE'S 1000th AT THE G ...

July 19, 2002

Melbourne played their 1,000th league match at the Melbourne Cricket Ground on July 20th.

To play 1,000 matches at a venue is one of the most remarkable stats of all time especially  when you consider that the MCG (2030) and Princes Park (1257) are the only grounds which have hosted 1,000 or more matches. For the record Carlton have played 945 matches at Princes Park - game number 1000 is quite a number of years away yet.

Melbourne's first match at the MCG was on May 15, 1897 in Round 2 (It was the first league match to be played on the hallowed turf) The Scores were: Melbourne 3.2, 5.4, 9.7, 9.10(64) to Geelong 0.0, 1.1, 1.1, 3.1(19)

The Melbourne v Collingwood clash in R10, 1958 at the MCG holds the record attendance in a Home and Away Match - 99,346 saw Melbourne win 12.12(84) to Collingwood's 10.13(73)

Melbourne have played in 17 Grand Finals (11 premierships)* at the MCG including the draw in 1948 v Ess and the 96 point drubbing by the Hawks in 1988.  Their first was in 1926 and the last in 2000.  Their last win was in 1964.  They featured in 7 consecutive Grand Finals at the MCG between 1954 and 1960.  A feat matched by Hawthorn in the 1980's.

*Melbourne's other premiership was in 1900 at the East Melbourne Cricket Ground (where the rail yards were, before the housing estate) - and the umpire was Crapp

Melbourne's record at the MCG

To the end of Round 15, they had played 999 matches at the MCG for 534 Wins, 458 Losses and 7 draws - a Win% of 53.80 — kicking 12205.12714 (85944) to 11698.12309(82497), and have scored 100 or more 332 times and conceded 100 on 288 occasions.

Melbourne's records at the MCG

Hi Score: 28.14(182) v NM  14.13(97) - 1986-R21

                & 28.14(182) v NM 17.10(112) - 1991-R5

Lo Score: 0.8(8) v SM 13.8(86) - 1912-R12

GWM: 141 points 21.28(154) v Haw 1.7(13) - 1926-R9

Hi 1st Q: 9.6(60) v Gee 7.2(44) - 1940-R10

Hi 2nd Q: 11.6(72) v Gee 0.3(3) - 1939-R16

Hi 3rd Q: 10.4(64) v Fsc 2.2(14) - 1994-1SF  - Garry Lyon 10 goals

Hi 4th Q: 11.5(71) v SM 1.2(8) - 1938-R4

Other Teams v Melbourne at the MCG

Hi Score: StK 31.18(204) v Mel 21.15(141) - 1978-R6

Lo Score: Car 1.2(8) v Mel 4.8(32) - 1903-R7

GWM: 127 pts  Gee 27.21(183) v Mel 8.8(56) -1996-R1 (n)

Hi 1st Q: Gee 10.7(67) v Mel 3.3(21) - 1934-R14

Hi 2nd Q: StK 11.5(71) v Mel 2.3(15) - 1978-R6

Hi 3rd Q: Ess 11.8(74) v Mel 1.1(7) - 1946-GF

Hi 4th Q: Gee 10.10(70) v Mel 4.2(26) - 1989-1SF

Melbourne's record v other teams at the MCG...

v               P     W     L    D

Adelaide       6    3     3    0

Brisbane     10    8    2    0

Carlton      88    45    43    0

Collingwood   120    50    68    2

Essendon       98    38    59    1

Fitzroy        77    45    30    2

Fsc-W.B        61    39    22    0

Fremantle      4    3     1    0

Geelong        95    49    46    0

Hawthorn      59    32    27    0

NM-Kangaroos   78    50    28    0

Port Adelaide   3    3     0    0

Richmond      114    53    60    1

St.Kilda       82    54    28    0

SM-Sydney      85    48    36    1

University     11    10     1    0

West Coast     8    4     4    0

              999   534   458    7

 

Here's to the next 1000.....

July 1, 2002

Something that has intrigued the community of statisticians this season has been the the parallel run achieved by the two WA clubs Fremantle and West Coast.

MARTIN WINDSOR-BLACK delved through the files and provided this very pertinent observation –

Longest 'Non-Streaks'
(10+ consecutive matches without a consecutive result)

16    Fsc    1928-R16 to 1929-R13 (LWLWLWLDWLWLWLWL)
15*   Fre    2001-R21 to 2002-R13* (LWLWLWLWLWLWLWL) - ended R14
14    StK    1969-R3 to 1969-R16 (WLWLWLWLWLWLWL)
13    WCE  1999-R22 to 2000-R10 (LWLWLDWLWLWLW)
12    Bri      2000-R8 to 2000-R19 (LWLWLWLWLWLW)
12    WCE  2001-R22 to 2002-R11 (LWLWLWLWLWLW)
11    Car     1953-R3 to 1953-R13 (WLWLWLWLWLW)
11    Rch    1983-R9 to 1983-R19 (LWLWLWLWLWL)
10    Uni     1909-R12 to 1910-R3 (WLWLDLDWLW)
10    Fit      1927-R8 to 1927-R17 (WLDLWLWLWL)
10    StK    1944-R4 to 1944-R13 (LWDLWLWLWL)
10    Fsc    1954-R8 to 1954-R17 (WLWLWLWLDW)
10    Mel    1972-R3 to 1972-R12 (LWLWLWLWLW)
10    Fsc    1987-R17 to 1988-R4 (LWLDWLWLWL)
10    Rch    1988-R9 to 1988-R18 (LWLWLWLWLW)
10    StK    1990-R2 to 1990-R11 (WLWLWLWLWL)
10    Haw    2000-R11 to 2000-R20 (LWLWLWLWLW)

It was interesting to note how Richmond's season of 1983 virtually paralleled their 1988 season up to Round 18:

1983 Rch: LLLLLWLLLWLWLWLWLW
1988 Rch: LLLLWLLLLWLWLWLWLW