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1 Fri, Aug 8 MCG(n), 7.05 Melbourne v Geelong
2 Sat, Aug 9 Dok, 2.10 Carlton v Port Adelaide
3 Sat, Aug 9 YPL, 2.10 Hawthorn v Brisbane
4 Sat, Aug 9 MCG(n), 7.10 Collingwood v St Kilda
5 Sat, Aug 9 SCG(n), 7.10 Sydney v Fremantle
6 Sun, Aug 10 Dok, 1.10 North Melb v West.B'dogs
7 Sun, Aug 10 FP, 3.10 Adelaide v Richmond
8 Sun, Aug 10 Sub, 4.40 West Coast v Essendon

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*Match Review*– The Stats that Matter

Stats Update from every round of 2008

Premiership Season

CITY EXTRA – check for later updates

Thursday, August 7

St Kilda's Robert Harvey to retire after 21 years

After 21 years of AFL perpetual motion, St Kilda's Robert Harvey is coming to rest and he hopes that can help propel the Saints' momentum towards the one thing missing in his decorated career – a premiership.

On Wednesday, the dual Brownlow Medallist, who turns 37 later this month, announced he would retire when the Saints' season finished.

Ideally, Harvey hopes that will be deep in September as he attempts to better his remarkable list of individual accolades with the ultimate team one.

Harvey has played 376 games for the Saints since debuting in 1988, is an eight-time All-Australian and four-time club best and fairest.

His career highlights were his back-to-back Brownlow Medal wins in 1997 and 1998.

But the closest Harvey has got to a flag is St Kilda's 1997 grand final loss to Adelaide, and two defeats in preliminary finals.

Harvey reached his decision to quit at a meeting with Saints coach Ross Lyon last week – the pair believing the veteran midfielder's outstanding form this season provided the perfect backdrop for him to go out on top.

Fremantle's Heath Black ended weeks of speculation by announcing his immediate retirement from the game on Wednesday, joining Shaun McManus, Peter Bell and Matthew Carr as others to have pulled the pin in 2008.

The quartet have 868 AFL games between them and Harvey admitted their loss had left a massive void. Black played 138 games for the Dockers and 54 for St Kilda.

Black, who was contracted to the club until the end of 2009, was told by coach Mark Harvey he was a required player for next year but a frustrating run of injuries convinced the 29-year-old to call it quits now – Yahoo! Sport

They said it ... The Age
AFL to review spear tackles
The AFL will heed tribunal chairman David Jones' request and revisit the rules of rough play and whether they sufficiently cover dangerous tackles.

"You can make your rules as long as you like to cover every contingency. In the end Darren Milburn pleaded guilty to rough conduct was given three weeks reduced to one because of his five-year good behaviour and guilty plea," AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said.

"Certainly we will look at it as suggested by the tribunal. Dangerous tackles is something we have already looked at and we will look at it again."

Geelong successfully argued that Milburn had tackled the body of Richmond player Shane Edwards and while the player's head might have hit the ground forcefully, the tackle was actually to the player's body.

Therefore the offence was down-grounded to "body contact", not the more serious "head-high contact".


l Injury toll rises for West Coast
West Coast's injury woes are so bad that coach John Worsfold admits he may have to select some out of form players for Sunday's AFL clash with Essendon.

Yahoo! Sport reports the Eagles' horrendous injury run got even worse when it was confirmed utility Brent Staker and forward Josh Kennedy required season-ending surgery.

Staker ruptured a ligament in his right thumb and also received a small fracture during Sunday's western derby loss to Fremantle, while Kennedy requires a full shoulder reconstruction plus rest for his troublesome knee.

With Kennedy, Staker, Daniel Kerr (knee), Brett Jones (knee), Adam Hunter (knee/shoulder), Beau Waters (elbow), Chris Masten (groin), Mitch Brown (knee) and Shannon Hurn (leg) already ruled out for the season, and Matt Rosa (ankle) unlikely to feature again, Worsfold conceded he may have to call upon a few fresh faces for the match against Essendon.

They said it ... Bruce Walkley
From Wills to Milburn some things never change
This weekend the AFL celebrates the Tom Wills round, with the dates nearest to the pin when Scotch College and Melbourne Grammar started a legendary match 150 years ago across the parklands adjacent to where the Melbourne Cricket Ground stands.

An old mate, Bruce Walkley, looks at facets of our great Australian game that not even 150 years can change – more ...

l Melbourne fund-raiser brings in $2 million
Melbourne have wiped more than $2 million off their debt at a fundraising dinner for influential supporters.

Tuesday night's dinner was the start of the Demons' debt demolition campaign, in which they are aiming to erase their $5 million debt. It was attended by 170 supporters, who each contributed at least $6,000, with a total of $2,051,000 raised – Fox Sport


Martin Windsor-Black
Just 4 rounds, 32 matches and over 4 billion different possible results.

There are three main groups, the top three, those vying for a place in the eight and fourth place, and those at the bottom

The top group
Firstly the top three are the only teams which have officially qualified for the finals.
Geelong are assured of the minor premiership being 10 points clear.
Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn will battle it out between 2nd or 3rd, but it won't matter too much as they will end up playing each other in the qualifying final.

The race for the top four and eight
Only 10 points separates the 9 teams from 4th from 12th – Sydney is less than 2 games inside the eight, and Essendon is only one game plus percentage out of the eight. All these 9 teams can finish anywhere in between.

There are 3 critical matches in the battle for 4th place – Collingwood v St Kilda, Collingwood v Sydney and St Kilda v Adelaide. Losses in these matches will mean the difference between a chance at fourth, just scrape into the eight - or in the worst case scenario miss out of the finals altogether.

p My prediction is that St Kilda will climb to 4th and Brisbane will be taking their September holidays.

Although Fremantle and Port Adelaide are still a mathematical contender, they will finish where they are - or even swap places again.

The wooden spoon battle
With Fremantle winning the WA Derby against West Coast, The round 20 clash at the MCG between Melbourne and West Coast will decide the wooden spoon – should West Coast win, then that puts them 2 games ahead of the Demons, and they will finish on the bottom. However should Melbourne win, they draw level, and it will go down to percentage. In real terms, the Eagles are currently about 6 goals ahead, however a 18 point result may be enough to put the Demons ahead – especially as West Coast face Hawthorn and Geelong in the last two rounds ... more ...

Stab Kicks ...
n There's always another story ...


Michael Rogers
Geelong: almost the most successful in 16-team comp
Geelong's winning run over the past two seasons has seen it steadily move up the ladder of matches won to matches played.

With their win over Hawthorn and Brisbane's loss to Richmond in Round 17,
Geelong moved to second in match win ratios since the advent of the 16 team competition in 1995.

The Cats moved up to 57.23, while the Lions dropped back to 57.06. (And since their R18 loss, to 4th position.)

Geelong now need to win three more games than the currently top placed team, who perhaps surprisingly, is North Melbourne, to take the title.

Below is a table showing each team's Match-Win ratio from R1 1995 to R18 2008.
North Melb 58.10
Geelong 57.37
Essendon 56.94
Brisbane 56.88
Port Adelaide 56.32
Sydney 56.17
Adelaide 53.70
West Coast 53.69
West. B'dogs 48.47
St Kilda 47.14
Hawthorn 45.51
Collingwood 44.59
Richmond 44.03
Carlton 44.03
Melbourne 42.25
Fremantle 39.94

All those who want to move/merge/dissolve or otherwise disregard the "Shinboners" should also take note of this table.


l Footy Works updates – available
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Approaching Milestones
2008, Round 19 – Tom Wills Round
Friday-Saturday-Sunday, August 8-9-10

(subject to selection, injury or suspension)
300 – SHANE CRAWFORD (Hawthorn, 1993-2008)
300 –  ANDREW McLEOD (Adelaide, 1995-2008)
250 – JOEL BOWDEN (Richmond, 1996-2008)
150 – BRENT GUERRA, 53 Haw 2006-08, 65 PA 2000-03, 31 StK 2004-05
150 – DREW PETRIE (North Melb, 2001-08)
100 – JARRAD McVEIGH (Sydney, 2004-08)
  50 – SCOTT PENDLEBURY (Collingwood, 2006-08)
500 – MICHAEL O'LOUGHLIN (Syd 1995-2008) 497 goals, 286 games
500 – BRAD JOHNSON (Fsc-West.B'dogs, 1994-2008) 498 goals, 317 games

300 – BRENT HARVEY (NMK 1996-2008) 299 goals, 259 games
300 – NICK RIEWOLDT (StK 2001-08) 297 goals, 297, 151 games
250 – STEWART DEW (Haw 2008, PA 1997-2006) 249 goals, 188 games
100 – NEIL CRAIG (Adelaide), since 2004-R14 to current day

Worth noting ...
n Martin Windsor-Black's *Full Picture* – more
Tribunal 2008 – more
n NAB Cup 2008 Match Review and details – more
Traded, Retired, Delisted, Acquired – more
n 2007 financial forecasts and results – more
n Footystats Classifieds – more

Wednesday, August 6

Collingwood suspends trio over drink-driving lies

Collingwood has suspended Heath Shaw and Alan Didak for the rest of the season after lying about a drink-driving incident from the weekend.

ABC Sport Online reports: Management at the high profile AFL club says the suspensions include both the home-and-away portion of the season and potential finals matches following an extensive investigation.

It's understood Heath Shaw had a blood alcohol reading three times the legal limit after hitting a parked car in Kew on Sunday.

Shaw originally denied Didak was also in the car, but the club now says he was.

As a repeat offender, Didak has been fined $5000, while the original fine of $10,000 to Heath Shaw has been reinforced.

Meanwhile Shaw's brother Rhyce, who was already injured was also found to have been drinking over the weekend, and has been suspended for two matches and fined $5,000.

Collingwood CEO Gary Pert said the club would not sweep the matter under the carpet and Collingwood's reputation as an honest organisation was worth more than a premiership.

"When you have two of your key players looking the president, the coach, their own team mates in the eyes and actually lying to really destroys the essence of the club," he said.

A statement from the club says all three players will continue to train with the team.

l How Eddie's golden boys shot the president
Worth reading – Caroline Wilson, The Age – more ...

AFL Tribunal – Round 18
Chairman calls  for update of tackle rules
Darren Milburn charge reduced to one-game
Steven Browne acquitted

AFL tribunal chairman David Jones wants the league to introduce a specific "spear tackle" offence after Geelong veteran Darren Milburn exploited a legal grey area to have a suspension downgraded on Tuesday night.

Milburn risked a three-match ban by taking his rough conduct charge to the tribunal but had that reduced to one game.

The defender pleaded guilty to pinning the arms of Richmond youngster Shane Edwards in a tackle and slamming him into the turf during Saturday night's match at Docklands.

The original charge was graded as high contact, based on the fact that Edwards' head crashed into the ground, resulting in him being assisted from the field and treated for concussion.

But Milburn's advocate Peter Murdoch QC successfully argued that it should have been graded as body contact, as that was where Milburn grabbed the Tigers player.

The AFL's rules governing reportable offences do not specify whether contact refers to that between offender and victim, or contact between the victim and another object such as the ground.

In a rare step, Jones spent several minutes deliberating before instructing the jury to use contact between the two players as the relevant factor.

It meant they had no choice but to downgrade the offence, reducing the length of the suspension.

But Jones said as this was the first case of its kind under the AFL's current tribunal system, the rules needed some attention.

"This case in my mind illustrates the need for the AFL to consider, when they do their review of the rules at the end of the year, introducing a specific offence for contact of this nature," Jones said.

"This has been done with respect to front-on contact and with respect to head-high contact and in my view that was very appropriate.

"There is a need for a specific offence that takes into account a dangerous tackle, or a throw tackle, or as it is called in rugby league, a spear tackle, but that is a matter for the AFL."

As well as a 25 per cent points reduction for his guilty plea, the one-game ban included a further 25 per cent reduction for Milburn's previous clean record.

It means he will miss only Friday night's match against bottom-placed Melbourne.

Earlier, Carlton youngster Steven Browne was cleared of a rough conduct charge, saving him from a four-week suspension. Browne was charged over a collision with Adelaide forward Jason Porplyzia during their match at Football Park on Saturday, which left the Crows player with bruising to the brain.

The contact occurred after Porplyzia was pushed into Browne's path by another Carlton player, Bret Thornton.

The tribunal jury took only about two minutes to deliberate, before agreeing with Browne's argument that his collision with Porplyzia was accidental, rather than an act of negligence – The Age.

l Steven Browne (Car) was charged with a Level Four rough conduct offence against Jason Porplyzia (Ade) in Q2.
The incident was assessed as negligent conduct (one point), severe impact (four points) and high contact (two points). This is a total of seven activation points, resulting in a classification of a Level Four offence, drawing 425 demerit points and a four-match sanction. He has no existing good or bad record. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to 318.75 points and a three-match suspension.
Carlton sought the adjudication of the Tribunal. On Tuesday the Tribunal found the action was accidental, rather than an act of negligence and acquitted Browne.
l Ivan Maric (Ade) and Simon Wiggins (Car) were charged with wrestling each other in Q1.
A first offence for wrestling is a $1200 sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to a $900 sanction.
Both Maric and Wiggins admitted guilt and the MRP penalty of a $900 fine.

Darren Milburn (Gee) was charged with a Level Four offence for engaging in rough conduct against Shane Edwards (Rch) in Q3.
The incident was assessed as reckless conduct (two points), high impact (three points) and high contact (two points). This is a total of seven activation points, resulting in a classification of a Level Four offence, drawing 425 demerit points and a four-match sanction. He has an existing five-year good record, which reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to 318.75 points and a three-match sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to 239.06 points and a two-match sanction.
Geelong sought the adjudication of the Tribunal. On Tuesday, as AFL's rules governing reportable offences do not specify whether contact refers to that between offender and victim, or contact between the victim and another object such as the ground, chairman David Jones deliberated before instructing the jury to use contact between the two players as the relevant factor. This left the jury with no alternative other than to downgrade the offence to a one-match suspension. As a 25 per cent points reduction for his guilty plea, the one-game ban included a further 25 per cent reduction for Milburn's previous clean record.

Jeff Farmer (Fre) was charged with a Level Two striking offence against Mark Nicoski (WC) in Q3.
The incident was assessed as reckless conduct (two points), low impact (one point) and high contact (two points). This is a total of five activation points, resulting in a classification of a Level Two offence, drawing 125 demerit points and a one-match sanction. He has an existing bad record of eight matches suspended within the last three years, increasing the penalty by 50 per cent to 187.50 points and a one-match sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to 140.63 points and a one-match sanction.
In summary, Farmer's poor record means that his one-game sanction cannot be reduced, even with an early plea.
Farmer accepted guilt and the MRP penalty of a one-match suspension.

Other Round 18 incidents assessed by the MRP –
l Contact between Matthew Scarlett (Gee) and Chris Newman (Rch) in Q4. On the vision from behind the goals, Newman was between Scarlett and the ball carrier until the very last moment when contact is made. Scarlett bumps Newman in the chest. No high contact was made. The contact was therefore not unreasonable in the circumstances and not reportable. No further action was taken.
l Contact between Craig Bolton (Syd) and umpire Matthew Nicholls in Q2. Bolton was attempting to close in on his immediate opponent, when the umpire runs in front of him. The Sydney player is not able to avoid contact, and the contact was considered accidental. No further action was taken.
Contact between Barry Hall (Syd) and Lindsay Gilbee (WB) in Q3. Hall runs in to contest the ball. He placed his open left hand on Gilbee's shoulder and the same hand then makes high contact to Gilbee. Hall's action was considered a push and no further action was taken.
l Contact between Brendon Goddard (StK) and Nick Salter (PA) in Q2. Goddard had his eyes on the ball until the last moment, when he realised his team mate would mark the ball. He then attempted to pull out of the contest. Goddard's shoulder did make high contact with Salter, but it was considered accidental and that the St Kilda player was trying to avoid significant contact. No further action was taken.
l Contact between Lenny Hayes (StK) and Nick Lower (PA) in Q3. Hayes moved in to contest with the ball with both hands down in an attempt to gain possession of the ball. At the last moment, Lower tapped the ball, preventing Hayes from gaining possession. It was the view of the MRP that Hayes had no realistic alternative way to contest the ball. No further action was taken.
l Contact between Jacob Surjan (PA) and Robert Harvey (StK) in Q3. Surjan tackled Harvey when the St Kilda player was in possession of the ball. Surjan pulls Harvey around in the tackle and Harvey kicks the ball just before going to ground. Given there was one action in the tackle and that Harvey had possession of the ball for most of the tackle, it was deemed a legal tackle and not a reportable offence. No further action was taken.

l Port hero Michael Wilson retires
Port Adelaide premiership defender Michael Wilson has announced his retirement from AFL football after playing 192 games.

Wilson was a member of the Power's inaugural squad in 1997 and won the AFL's rising star award for that year. He subsequently battled through a succession of injuries, including multiple shoulder and knee reconstructions.

For his efforts to play through those injuries he has been dubbed the "heart and soul" of Port Adelaide.

Wilson played in the Power's 2004 premiership side but missed last year's grand final after he snapped an Achilles tendon in the preliminary final.

This year Wilson struggled to recaptured his old form and he knew his time was up when he suffered a knee injury at training a month ago.


Martin Windsor-Black
The Full Picture update after Round 18
l The definitive compilation of statistics –
Martin Windsor-Black
after Round 18
n Quarters Ladder
n *Home* and *Away* Ladders
n Attendance Ladder

MWB notes:
Quarters – Geelong have won six matches this year by winning all 4 quarters – just as Melbourne have lost six matches losing all 4 quarters.

When Geelong beat Melbourne in Round 3 the Cats won all 4 quarters by 6, 11, 7 and 6 points – a gallant effort by the Demons.

p Melbourne's sole 2nd quarter win this season has come at the expense of Hawthorn in Round 9.

p 27 of this years 144 matches have been decided by a team winning all 4 quarters (almost a fifth)

p Collingwood have won 16 of 18 second quarters – including the last 14 since Round 5 - Carlton was the last team to win a second quarter against the Magpies -
p Between 1914-R13 and 1915-R8, Collingwood won 13 consecutive second quarters.
p Between 1928-R8 and 1929-R7, Collingwood won 21 consecutive second quarters - including the drawn 1928 semi final against Melbourne, the subsequent replay and the Grand Final against Richmond.
p Collingwood won a total of 21 second quarters in 1977, 18 second quarters in 1928 and 1990, 17 second quarters in 1973 and 2007 and 16 second quarters in 1925, 1971, 1979, 1980 and so far in 2008*

p Here's a good indication of why the Lions have slipped out of the eight.
Brisbane's have won the least number of final quarters (5 of 18) – even less than Fremantle's 6. This is in contrast to Hawthorn's 14 final quarter wins at 154.9% – more ...


l NAB Rising Star
Round 18– Gavin Urquhart (North Melb)
North Melbourne's Gavin Urquhart has been rewarded for his career-best performance last weekend with the AFL's Round 18 Rising Star award nomination.

The 20-year-old Queenslander gathered 22 disposals in the Kangaroos come-from-behind win at Carrara on Saturday night against the Brisbane Lions as North Melbourne leapt to fifth spot on the ladder.

Recruited from Morningside Football Club, Urquhart has slotted into defence since making his AFL debut in Round 10.

In nine matches this season he has averaged 17 possessions.

He was a second-round pick at the 2006 Draft and was taken at No.21 overall.

A rugby league and union player as a junior, Urquhart has made a massive improvement in the past 12 months.

Urquhart is North Melbourne's first Rising Star Nominee in 2008.

u Full details and history of the AFL-NAB Rising Star award ... more


Michael Rogers

l Is it time for a new ladder?
With the fact that Essendon's recent good form has only gained it one place on the ladder (13th-12th) thoughts about a way of reflecting true form on the ladder so that the most currently competitive would play in the finals.

We thought that this might be of interest to Footystats readers – more ...


Kathryn Michaelsen
Collingwood is football writ large
Collingwood is football writ large.

Whatever Collingwood, or someone connected with the club, does or doesn't do makes news more than any other club. Collingwood have both more supporters and more detractors than any other club; and this very polarity of feeling makes the club, and has for decades, central to the game (both socially and actually) at the highest level.

Collingwood supporters fill grounds all over the country. Coupled with opposition supporters, in most cases, more people go to games with Collingwood involved than any other club.

Almost every year, Collingwood has the highest attendance figures for the year. While Collingwood is the most supported, they are the most hated club, and Collingwood supporters thrive on this antagonism, for it keep the cub foremost in view, and this in turn perpetuates the clubs popularity ... remember Collingwood have won just 1 flag in 50 years.

On the field (as was highlighted by the 'blockbuster fatigue' issue) no matter where Collingwood is on the ladder, all clubs lift against them. Collingwood is the big target, for they almost always play on the big stage (by size of the crowds). Collingwood is more than just another VFL-AFL club, it occupies a place in our culture that no other club does. The black and white stripes seem to have possessed a mystic fascination through football history, and very few people (even those with just a passing interest in the game) don't have an opinion on Collingwood.

People involved with Collingwood *must* know these things about where the club stands in the community and in the culture. People in the club, on or off the field, make news all the time. When they do good they are praised to the skies, but when they do something wrong the penalties the club imposes must be stiffer than at other clubs, if only for the fact that more people will be observing and judging the action and club response.

Young men will behave as young men will within their community and in the culture of the time. Because players at Collingwood are under greater scrutiny than at other clubs, they *must* know, or must be made to know, the consequences of this scrutiny for good or ill.

In my opinion with the current controversy with Alan Didak and Heath Shaw, short of sacking either of them (an act I don't believe harms the player, it will just move the problem to another club), they should be suspend from playing for the rest of the season, and suspended from the club (and all club functions) for the rest of calendar 2008; in other words, isolate them for an extended period. The club should suggest that other players not socialise with them for that period, and that the only person from the club with contact with them would be the coach – then the players are punished by denying them what the like doing, and the message goes through the whole playing group. Any further indiscretions should result in sacking.

The strength of a club can be seen in how it disciplines its own ... I hope I don't barrack for a weak club.

Kathryn Michaelsen


Stab Kicks ...
n The memory of our veteran statsman Bruce Kennedy quickly ticked over to provide the answer that may have been raised by our "for those who remember" piece – the alpha symbols had a regular placement –
AB = Waverley match
CD = Princes Park match
EF = Junction/Moorabbin match
GH = MCG match
KN = Lake Oval match
RS = Kardinia Park match

The rest were scattered.

MWB has spotted that Carlton is pressing toward their first season of drawing one million through the gate in the H+A series, emulation the old foe Collingwood – check out *The Full Picture* after Round 18 ...

n For *Footy Works* devotees, the update for Round 18 has been posted ...

n There's always another story ...


Wednesday, August 6

Melbourne radio ratings

3AW maintains its strong lead
3AW (owned by Fairfax Media) has maintained top place against its Melbourne rivals in match broadcasts.

The survey period consists of the dates May 4 to June 7 and June 22 to July 26.




Friday night

13.3 (16.5) 10.2 (11.6) 10.3 (8.7) 5.0 (4.0)

Pre Game

7.8 (11.9) 8.5 (10.0) 10.6 (9.1) 5.4 (4.5)


15.7 (19.2) 10.4 (12.4) 11.3 (9.3) 4.6 (3.7)

Post Game

23.8 (23.2) 15.9 (13.9) 5.1 (5.2) 4.7 (3.2)


13.2 (15.3) 10.5 (10.5) 12.0 (12.7) 6.3 (5.3)

Pre Game

12.8 (15.0) 9.0 (9.3) 9.7 (10.2) 5.2 (3.8)


13.8 (16.6) 12.0 (11.7) 13.3 (14.3) 7.2 (5.0)

Post Game

12.8 (12.9) 9.8 (10.2) 14.0 (13.6) 6.2 (6.8)

Saturday night

14.2 (11.4) 8.0 (9.5) 9.8 (8.6) 5.2 (5.6)

Pre Game

7.8 (8.8) 3.8 (10.5) 10.8 (8.9) 5.7 (6.5)


15.1 (11.8) 9.1 (8.2) 10.1 (8.5) 4.9 (5.7)

Post Game

22.3 (14.4) 11.7 (11.7) 7.4 (8.7) 5.3 (3.8)


14.8 (15.7) 10.1 (10.9) 9.2 (10.3) 6.4 (4.2)

Pre Game

15.0 (13.6) 8.6 (5.7) 8.6 (9.7) 4.4 (3.7)


15.7 (18.5) 10.5 (11.9) 10.6 (12.1) 8.1 (4.8)

Post Game

12.7 (14.0) 12.0 (12.9) 7.3 (7.7) 6.8 (3.7)

With thanks to 3AW's Graeme Bond and the team.

August 6, 2008

Tuesday, August 5

Disciplinary action by Collingwood expected
Alan Didak emerges as Heath Shaw passenger

Collingwood defender Heath Shaw faces disciplinary action for lying to the club after he denied team-mate Alan Didak was a passenger in his car during a drink driving incident.

Yahoo! Sport reports: Shaw was charged with drink driving following a car accident in the Melbourne suburb of Kew on Sunday night, but avoided suspension from the club and was scheduled to play in this weekend's match against St Kilda.

Shaw dismissed suggestions at a televised press conference on Monday that Didak had been a passenger in his car, but club investigations have since revealed Didak was in fact in the car at the time of the accident.

A Collingwood statement said Shaw's sanctions for the drink driving incident would be reviewed immediately, while Didak could also face disciplinary action for lying to the club.

"Given the club has now found their information to be false, it strikes at the principles of honesty and integrity that the Collingwood Football Club is built on," the statement read.

Sportal reports: The fact that Didak lied about the events of Sunday night could spell the end of his career with the Magpies, given the stipulations in his contract.

Collingwood originally decided against a suspension on Shaw, but given this recent discovery the club will review the incident again and a decision will be made on Tuesday.

They said it ... Mark Stevens
Collingwood stars have shamed club
Eddie McGuire's theatrics yesterday would not have compared to his response on learning Heath Shaw and Alan Didak had lied. The honesty and anger displayed yesterday by McGuire, and skipper Scott Burns, and the stunned disbelief by coach Mick Malthouse suggests the three of them were not aware of the full story when they confronted the media yesterday.

As cars zipped past on nearby Punt Rd, McGuire's message could not have been more crystal clear.

His message today, however, has to be even clearer: Why should Didak, who was re-signed three weeks ago and who has a history of alcohol-related behaviour, remain at the football club?

McGuire was made to look the fool when he said at lunchtime yesterday that Didak was accused of so much, he was surprised the forward was not linked to the John F. Kennedy assassination. As the saying goes, fool me once ... more ...

MARK STEVENS, Herald Sun, August 5


MRP – Round 18
l Heavy tackle spells trouble for Darren Milburn
Slamming opponents' heads into the turf in tackles is a clear no-go zone in the AFL after Geelong's Darren Milburn was hit with a four-game suspension on Monday by the AFL's Match Review Panel.

Milburn's heavy tackle on Richmond's Shane Edwards, when he pinned the Tiger's arms and drove him into the Docklands turf last Saturday night in the third quarter after the ball spilled free, earned one of the heaviest suspensions of the season, although the Cat can halve the penalty with a guilty plea.

Yahoo! Sport reports: However the practice became murky, after a similar tackle laid by Port Adelaide's Jacob Surjan, on St Kilda's Robert Harvey in the third quarter on Sunday, was given the all-clear despite the veteran Saint needing assistance to leave the ground.

Edwards needed assistance after being crunched, and the panel assessed Milburn's tackle as reckless, of high contact and high impact, which drew seven activation points and 425 demerit points.

The All-Australian backman, one of the stars of the Cats' premiership win last season, has a good record over the past five years which reduces the penalty by 25 per cent, and a guilty plea would drop the sanction by a further 25 per cent, to two games.

Geelong have until Tuesday to inform the AFL whether they accept the penalty or want the Tribunal to adjudicate the charge on Tuesday night.

Surjan's tackle on Harvey was assessed by the panel, but it ruled that the Port player's tackle was legitimate because he slung the Saint while he was kicking the ball.

Carlton may challenge a four-match penalty imposed on young midfielder Steven Browne, who was reported for engaging in rough conduct in the second quarter against Adelaide's Jason Porplyzia at Football Park on Saturday. Porplyzia suffered bruising to a small area of his brain after he bounced off Carlton's Bret Thornton and into the path of Browne, and the contact again popped out the Crow's loose shoulder.

The panel assessed Browne's contact as negligent conduct, severe impact and high contact, which drew seven activation points and 425 demerit points. Carlton can reduce that to three games with a guilty plea.

Fremantle's Jeff Farmer was charged with a level-two striking offence against West Coast's Mark Nicoski in the third quarter at Subiaco Oval on Sunday, and his poor record – 19 games suspended from 15 reports provided little leeway. Farmer pleaded guilty and accepted the charge last night. The suspension arrives at a time where speculation is that the Dockers will not renew Farmer's contract.

Carlton's Simon Wiggins and Adelaide's Ivan Maric were both charged with wrestling each other in the first quarter. They can expect $900 fines.


Michael Rogers
Six-week snapshot
Michael Rogers provides a snapshot of the past six rounds and the impact results in that span have delivered.
    W L D F A % Pts
1 Geelong 6 0 0 777 365 212.88 24
2 Essendon 5 1 0 742 606 122.44 20
3 St Kilda 5 1 0 574 498 115.26 20
4 North Melb 5 1 0 552 484 114.05 20
5 Western Bulldogs 4 2 0 610 588 103.74 16
6 Richmond 4 2 0 663 668 99.25 16
7 Hawthorn 3 3 0 590 516 114.34 12
8 Fremantle 3 3 0 551 530 103.96 12
9 Brisbane 2 4 0 604 594 101.68 8
10 Carlton 2 4 0 637 656 97.10 8
11 Sydney 2 4 0 510 568 89.79 8
12 Collingwood 2 4 0 512 581 88.12 8
13 Adelaide 2 4 0 451 534 84.46 8
14 Port Adelaide 1 5 0 564 648 87.04 4
15 Melbourne 1 5 0 477 637 74.88 4
16 West Coast 1 5 0 444 775 57.29 4

Geelong stands out with its huge percentage and the meanness of it's defence.

Essendon, St Kilda and North Melbourne are the teams in best recent form. However while North and St Kilda's recent wins have got them into the 8 over the last 6 rounds, Essendon's second half of the season surge has only improved their position on the 18 round ladder from 13th to 12th.

The Bulldogs and Hawthorn's performance's are hardly spectacular – look at the percentages.

While Adelaide, Sydney and Collingwood are still in the 8 on the 18 round ladder, their performance over the last 6 weeks must cast aspersions on their claim to be true contenders – look at their percentages!

The only teams that are in the same position on the current 18 round ladder and this one are, Geelong (1), Brisbane (9), and Port Adelaide (14).


Stab Kicks ...
n Some e-mails on Monday noted the appearance of "for those who remember" – the alphabetical letters that appeared on scoreboards for nigh on 90 years after they first recorded scores from other grounds starting at the East Melbourne Cricket Ground in 1909. There was the note that always accompanied the chart in the Footy Record of the day – "watch the varying positions of R and S discs on the board".

The design used was copied from the round 1 issue of the Football Record, March 27-31, 1997. I believe the feature disappeared around 1997 as communications of the day delivered the scores from *around the grounds* more than a pocket pencil provided. I will be happy if anyone can correct me.

n Bruce Kennedy observes that Round 18 delivered –
3 x 8pt results, and 2 x 8ptx2 (ie 16 pts) – MWB gave us the background to these margin parallels last week when we had three 24-point results on the Sunday in Round 17.

n Michael Rogers notes Port Adelaide's loss in R18 has resulted in 2008 being their worst performance at this stage of any season. The previous low at R18 was in 2000, with 5 wins and 1 draw.

n Ben Cousins has started the long road back by training with WAFL club Perth at Lathlain Park. Perth coach Simon Eastaugh said Cousins, who is serving a 12-month AFL suspension for bringing the game into disrepute, had committed to training with the WAFL outfit three nights a week as the former Eagles skipper aims to keep his AFL career alive – Fox Sports


Monday, August 4


Kathryn Michaelsen
Fool me once, shame on Sam
Fool me twice, shame on me
The Footy Show ought to come with warnings at the beginning of each program about the possible sexual references and language issues that may occur on the show.

I believe that a lot of the program's audience, apart from those wanting actual footy information and news, are made up of people wanting to see what Sam will say next. Of that group there will be some who will watch, knowing full well what may happen, and when Sam says something that is (or may be) offensive, they have their righteous indignation; and Sam rarely fails to provide.

Channel 9 has a history of pushing the envelope, from Graham Kennedy's crow-call (did he really say what we think he said?), to the current batch of envelope pushers. I am in no way equating Kennedy with Newman; Graham Kennedy was a genius, adept in the art of subtlety, double entente. Where Kennedy had his Crow-call Sam Newman is as subtle as a crow-bar. I do not for a second believe Newman's explanation of his words, and I doubt much of his audience does either.
Why did the remark get a laugh? – because the audience understood what they heard as it was said, in the way it was said – I feel that it is in what words are given emphasis that carries the real meaning. The phrase in question; Sam said "Worthy of coming on her". If you can, listen to it yourself, the emphasis was placed on the words worthy of and her. In my opinion the real and implied meaning here is that whatever is worthy of, is going to be done to (or put on) her. What is this thing that is going to be done to her, or put on her?

If Sam had put emphasis on the word on, then the implied meaning would have been as his explanation goes. In this instance, whatever is worthy of, is going to be done on (the clear inference would be that on meant on the program). If Sam had emphasised the word on, it would have sounded longer than it did when he said it. In fact Sam himself does it once he realises he has been caught out. He explains that he meant that "she was worthy of coming on", this time with the emphasis on *on*; had the emphasis been on *coming*, the meaning would have been repeated.

Try it yourself, say the phrases out loud to yourself, and each time put emphasis on the different words and see how the implied meaning changes, while the words themselves remain the same.

Graham Kennedy was adept at subtlety, Sam Newman is quickly becoming adept at damage control.

I believe that Sam Newman knew exactly what he was doing, and so too does Channel 9, and both will benefit with the exposure – as they have before.
I do not believe that Sam should be taken off the air, but warnings ought to be put at the beginning of each program about the possible sexual references and language issues that may occur on the show. In that way the viewers are adequately alerted to what may happen, and people have the choice whether to watch or not. If people then decide to watch the program and are offended by Sam, the fault then would lie with them and their choice, and not with Sam and the program.

The most dangerous people in a community are those who would deny others the right to make choices in their lives.

Kathryn Michaelsen


Stab Kicks ...
n Crowds for the 18th round of 276,170 (subject to audit) took total attendances of 144 games to 5,452,212 ... round 18 breakdown in *Match Review* ...

The Footystats Files
Morning games in League football
The match played in Canberra on Saturday, August 1, 1998 between North Melbourne and Port Adelaide at Manuka Oval, with an 11.40am bounce down, was the fifth League game since 1899 timed for a pre-noon start.

In 1899 on the Queen's Birthday, Wednesday May 24, the Round 3 Collingwood v St Kilda game at Victoria Park commenced at 11.00am.

On Wednesday May 26 1920, to coincide with the Royal Visit by the Prince of Wales, two morning games of Round 5 were played with starting times of 10.45am. Richmond played Collingwood at the Punt Road Oval, and Fitzroy played Geelong at the Brunswick Street Oval.

In 1938, a split of Round 8 matches were played over Saturday and Monday of the King's Birthday holiday weekend with three games on both days.
Essendon and St Kilda sought the permission of the League to have their game from the 12th round (July 9) played on King's Birthday. The reason was for both clubs to embark on interstate visits in July.

Approval was given and St Kilda and Essendon played on the Monday King's Birthday at the Junction Oval starting at 10.30am. It is to be noted that both clubs had played their Round 8 matches only two days before on Saturday.

Footystats Diary, August 7, 1998


for those who remember ...

A 8.14   E 13.16   K 13.14   U 14.17
B 17.14   F 12.14   N 11.18   V 14.9
C 19.10   G 20.14   R 17.11   X 17.14
D 17.6   H 10.11   S 14.13   Z 12.11

Sunday, August 3

Bulldogs consign Sydney to shaky territory
Tardy Saints just survive against Port youngsters
Freo are emphatic derby winners over Eagles

Round 18
Lloyd kicks 8.1; Bombers win tight call over Dees
Crows take the points against Carlton
Geelong swamp Richmond
North in another great fightback clip Brisbane

Facts and trivia from Round 5 in ...
The Stats that Matter* – *Match Review* ... more
u The season in scores and results – Stats Update 2008


Saturday, August 2

Round 18
Hawks overpower Magpies by nine goals

Facts and trivia from Round 5 in ...
The Stats that Matter* – *Match Review* ... more
u The season in scores and results – Stats Update 2008

Collingwood 8.14-62
Hawthorn 17.14-116

Collingwood's AFL finals hopes took another hit as a Hawthorn side fuelled by Sam Mitchell and Lance Franklin handed them their third straight loss, a nine-goal defeat at the MCG in front of 58,307 spectators..

Yahoo! Sport reported: The Hawks, coming off two straight losses, blitzed the Magpies with three goals in the opening seven minutes on their way to outscoring them six goals to one in the first term and Collingwood never really recovered.

After trailing by as much as 39 points early in the second quarter, the Magpies were at one stage able to close to within 10 points early in the second half.

But Hawthorn kicked the final three goals of the third quarter, then blew the Magpies away in the final term, with Franklin kicking the last three goals of the match to cap an eight-goal haul.

The loss left the Magpies, who started the night in sixth place, with a 9+9 record, and in danger of slipping out of the top eight by the end of the weekend if results of other matches go against them.

Captain Sam Mitchell was magnificent in the midfield for the Hawks, setting his side up with his early work in the packs, with the Magpies barely touching the ball in the opening few minutes.

The skipper was able to roam the ground, gathering telling kicks throughout the night, to ensure the supply to the Hawthorn forwards never dropped off.

Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse had predicted in the lead-up to the match that if Hawks tall forwards Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead were allowed enough of the ball they could "monster" his side and so it proved.

The two big men finished with 12 goals between them against an inexperienced Magpies defence.

l Leigh Colbert rejects West Coast offer
Former Geelong and North Melbourne defender Leigh Colbert has rejected an approach from West Coast to join the club's revamped AFL coaching staff next season.

Colbert, who worked part-time for the club last year, informed the Eagles he has decided to concentrate on his fledgling career as a pilot and media commentator.

l Channel Nine defends Newman's sex slur
Channel Nine has again had to defend John "Sam" Newman after calls to rein him in over another sexually degrading remark the former footballer directed at a female parliamentarian.

Dan Silkstone reports in The Age: Newman was yesterday forced to apologise to Tasmanian Economic Development Minister Paula Wriedt over a comment he made on Thursday's AFL Footy Show.

After footage was aired of Ms Wriedt commenting on confectioner Mars' $4 million sponsorship backing a Tasmanian bid for an AFL team, Newman said: "It's worthy of coming on her."

When other panellists responded, he said it was a slip of the tongue and he had meant to say it would be worthwhile for Ms Wriedt to come on the show as a guest.

Ms Wriedt accepted Newman's apology, but slammed his comments as offensive – more ...

They said it ... Tim Morrissey
Sydney's TV ratings continue to drop
Despite being in fourth place going into tomorrow's crucial Round 18 clash against the Western Bulldogs at Manuka Oval, the Swans' average TV audience in Sydney has fallen an alarming 11 per cent.

Tim Morrissey reports in The Daily Telegraph: Up to 13,500 Sydneysiders a game have turned off the Swans this year, even though the AFL is continuing to enjoy continued strong grassroots growth, especially in western Sydney, which has put rugby league on notice.

This season the average audience for Swans games in Sydney is 109,000, down from 122,500 viewers last season. This is a 21 per cent drop on the 2006 average of 154,500.

Swans crowds are also down this season, from 35,632 last year to 33,919. But they are numbers any NRL team in Sydney would die for and the AFL is not concerned.

SCG attendances have increased this season from 25,222 to 26,577, but the crowds for blockbusters at ANZ Stadium are down 27 per cent from 63,392 to 46,135.

Swans chief executive Myles Baron-Hay says the fall in ratings and crowds this year reinforce the complexities and competition sporting teams face in Sydney.

"We have never said it is easy in this market," he said. "It's the most competitive football market in the world and the job is still ahead of us."

TIM MORRISSEY, The Daily Telegraph, August 2

l Crows fined $20,000 for breach of TPP rules
A breach of the AFL's player payment rules has cost Adelaide a $20,000 fine. Half the fine is suspended until October 31 next year and the AFL says the penalty relates to “arrangements between a player and associates of the club”.

Fox News reports: Adelaide football manager John Reid said the un-named player, who does not have a manager, did not inform the Crows of the financial agreement.

In a statement, the league said Adelaide had voluntarily disclosed the breaches as soon as they were discovered.

“The AFL's Investigations Manager Ken Wood found that the club had failed to lodge arrangements between a player and associates of the club within the required timeframes, as required by the Total Player Payment (TPP) rules,” the league added.


Friday, August 1

Round 18 team selections
Josh Fraser in among four Magpie changes
Shane Crawford and Stuart Dew return for Hawks

Collingwood have welcomed back ruckman Josh Fraser among four changes as they seek to arrest their flagging form in Friday night's crunch AFL match against Hawthorn at the MCG.

Yahoo! Sport reports: The Hawks, out to break their own two-match losing streak, have also been significantly boosted, regaining former skipper Shane Crawford and injury-prone superboot Stuart Dew.

The Magpies, on the verge of the top four a fortnight ago, could drop out of the eight if they lose to the Hawks, after defeats to North Melbourne and Essendon in the past two rounds.

Fraser spent the past two rounds playing in the VFL before satisfying club medical staff he was ready to ruck again.

Also coming in for the Pies were Ryan Lonie, for what will be his first senior game of the year after a series of soft tissue injuries, and youngsters Tyson Goldsack and Alan Toovey.

Ruckman Cameron Wood was dropped to make way for Fraser, along with midfielder Ben Johnson, while pacy running player Rhyce Shaw was forced out by a back injury and veteran defender Shane Wakelin will be rested.

Wakelin's absence leaves Collingwood with an inexperienced defence to take on the talented Hawthorn attack, which includes star talls Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead.

Crawford returns after two weeks on the sidelines battling knee tendonitis, while Dew has missed the past four games with a hamstring injury. The Hawks were forced to omit Michael Osborne (corked buttock) and dropped Travis Tuck.

Essendon and Melbourne have both lost key forwards for Saturday's MCG meeting. The Bombers will be without Scott Lucas (back), replaced by Andrew Lovett, who returns from a club-imposed suspension, while the Demons will be missing Brad Miller (hamstring).

Melbourne also dumped youngsters Nathan Jones and Michael Newton, with Brad Green, Austin Wonaeamirri and Paul Wheatley all back from injury.

Top-placed Geelong regained tagger Cameron Ling – from the facial fracture inflicted by Fremantle's Dean Solomon in round 15 – and defender Darren Milburn, from illness, for Saturday night's match against Richmond at Docklands. But the Cats, still without Gary Ablett and David Wojcinski, have lost dangerous half-forward Paul Chapman (hamstring).

The Tigers named an unchanged side, after last weekend's thrilling win over Brisbane.

The Lions made four changes for their crucial clash with North Melbourne on the Gold Coast on Saturday night, dropping Robert Copeland, Tim Notting, Cheynee Stiller and Tom Collier. Into the side came Colm Begley, Rhan Hooper, Albert Proud and first-game key position player Scott Clouston.

The Kangaroos made one change, dropping young ruckman Todd Goldstein, in favour of utility Leigh Brown.

Adelaide also made one change for their crunch encounter with Carlton at Football Park on Saturday, young tall forward Kurt Tippett making way for defender Kris Massie. The Blues' only change was the return of Dennis Armfield, replacing tall forward Adam Hartlett.

Slumping Sydney lost star midfielder Adam Goodes (groin), as well as key forward Henry Playfair (hamstring), for Sunday's Canberra meeting with the Western Bulldogs. But full-back Leo Barry and running defender Nick Malceski returned from injury to their 25-man squad.

The `Dogs, also looking to get back on track after two straight losses, have lost Dylan Addison to a knee injury in the only omission from their squad so far.

St Kilda regained ruckman-forward Justin Koschitzke from suspension, but have lost full-back Max Hudghton (calf) for Sunday's meeting with Port Adelaide at Docklands. The Power's stocks are dwindling, with captain Warren Tredrea (shoulder) and Steven Salopek (Achilles) out for the season and Troy Chaplin (ankle) also sidelined.

Port's focus on the future was signalled by the naming of three untried players – Mitch Farmer, Nick Salter and Ryan Williams – in their squad.

Fremantle and West Coast both regained their captains for Sunday's western derby clash at Subiaco, Matthew Pavlich back from a knee injury and Darren Glass from a thigh problem.

But young Dockers ruckman Robert Warnock will undergo shoulder surgery on Friday and miss the rest of the season.

l Fevola re-signs with Carlton
Protracted contract negotiations between Carlton FC and player Brendan Fevola were completed Thursday when the full-forward renewed his playing arrangements by signing a new deal believed to be worth some $2.1 million for the next three years.

The new deal does not contain a behavioural clause, despite the club warning him on the eve of this season that he would be sacked if he had another alcohol-related misdemeanour when he was caught urinating on a nightclub window in Prahran.

l Fraser Gehrig off long-term injury list
St Kilda forward Fraser Gehrig is off the club's long-term injury list, but remains unlikely to return to AFL action. The 32-year-old veteran of 260 games has not played since round eight.

He battled chronic arthritis in his hand earlier in the year and struggled to find a role in the club's forward set-up, which appeared to lack pace when he was playing.

The club said Gehrig was now training strongly, but remained unlikely to return to the team.

l Clarkson apologises to umpire Schmitt
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson was remaining tight-lipped on Thursday but revealed he had apologised to umpire Justin Schmitt for the post-match comments that landed him in hot water last week.

Clarkson was fined $5000 by the AFL for his tongue-in-cheek remarks after the Hawks' 11-point loss to Geelong on Friday night when he said No.17 had played well.

"He's a good player for the Cats that No.17, wasn't he? He's a ripper," Clarkson said at the time.

With the Cats' Shannon Byrnes not playing, the only No.17 on the field was umpire Schmitt.

l Tassie AFL push gets a $4-million sponsor
The Tasmanian government's unlikely bid to be granted an AFL licence received a major boost with the announcement of a $4 million, three-year sponsorship deal.

Confectionary brand Mars will rename their chocolate bar the *Believe Bar* for the month of September, as part of a deal to become the proposed new club's inaugural major sponsor.

The Tasmanian government has mounted a concerted campaign to be granted their own AFL team, despite the league stating that its priority is to create new teams on the Gold Coast and in western Sydney – Yahoo! Sport

l Five rounds left – background to 8th place race
Regular Footystats reader Christian Brunn lives in the northern part of our planet, in Bielefeld, and to be exact that is in the north-east of Germany in the North Rhine-Westphalia area on the slopes of the Teutoburg Forest.

With only five rounds left of the season, the chart prepared by Christian shows that since the final 8 came into being in 1994 the lowest number of points required to make the last place for the finals was the 40 achieved by Brisbane in 1995 when they won 10 of their 22 matches.

What will be the minimum number of points this season? – more ...

Michael Rogers
Tigers on track for the *Double Double*
Michael Rogers has fielded a question from Detlef Jumpertz, a German reader of Footystats who earlier this week noted that with Richmond winning more matches than normal, they were on the way to achieving the *Double Double* – winning both away matches in Perth and Adelaide in one season.

Michael's research found that Geelong in 2008 became the only team to have won 4 away matches in SA and WA in the one season.

The Tigers having beaten Fremantle (R4), Port (R13) and West Coast (R15) in away games this year are poised to match the Cats when they face Adelaide at Football Park on Sunday, August 10 in Round 19.

Richmond's background over 12 seasons (1997-2008) in road-trips against the Eagles, Dockers, Crows and the Power ...

  P W L
1997 3 0 3
1998 2 1 1
1999 3 2 1
2000 2 1 1
2001 3 2 1
2002 3 0 3
2003 4 0 4
2004 3 0 3
2005 2 0 2
2006 3 1 2
2007 4 0 4
2008 3 3 0
Totals 35 10 25



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after Round 18

W L D F A % Pts
Gee 17 1 – 2103 1369 153.6 68
WB 14 3 1 2093 1705 122.8 58
Haw 14 4 – 1956 1557 125.6 56
Syd 10 7 1 1702 1451 117.3 42
NM 10 7 1 1690 1718 98.4 42
Ade 10 8 – 1657 1558 106.4 40
StK 10 8 – 1689 1671 101.1 40
Col 9 9 – 1890 1727 109.4 36

Bri 9 9 – 1863 1782 104.5 36
Rch 8 9 1 1852 1965 94.2 34
Car 8 10 – 1799 1879 95.7 32
Ess 8 10 – 1810 2068 87.5 32
Fre 5 13 – 1633 1736 94.1 20
PA 5 13 – 1700 1847 92.0 20
WCE 3 15 – 1385 2056 67.4 12
Mel 2 16 – 1417 2150 65.9 8

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Round 1
Thursday, March 20

Car 11.13-79 v Rch 17.7-109
PA 14.12-96 v Gee 15.15-105
Saturday, March 22
Col 16.15-111 v Fre 13.7-85
StK 6.15-51 v Syd 6.13-49
WCE 14.8-92 v Bri 11.10-76
Sunday, March 23
WB 19.12-126 v Ade 18.15-123
Haw 23.16-154 v Mel 6.14-50
Monday, March 24
NM 9.13-67 v Ess 19.8-122

Round 2
Friday, March 28

Bri 13.18-96 v Col 13.16-94
Saturday, March 29
Mel 9.12-66 v WB 24.17-161
Ade 21.7-133 v WCE 8.9-57
StK 19.11-125 v Car 12.13-85
Fre 14.13-97 v Haw 16.16-112
Sunday, March 30
Syd 22.14-146 v PA 11.12-78
Gee 22.18-150 v Ess 6.15-51
Rch 13.8-86 v NM 20.7-127

Round 3
Friday, April 4

WB 19.11-125 v StK 13.9-87
Saturday, April 5
NM 13.8-86 v Haw 15.12-102
WCE 10.13-73 v Fre 12.15-87
Bri 10.11-71 v Syd 13.10-88
Ess 23.12-150 v Car 21.8-134
Sunday, April 6
Gee 16.16-112 v Mel 12.10-82
Rch 11.12-78 v Col 18.14-122
Ade 12.13-85 v PA 11.13-79

Round 4
Friday, April 11

Ess 14.14-98 v WB 19.14-128
Saturday, April 12
StK 13.16-94 v Gee 21.10-136
NM 18.19-127 v Mel 11.13-79
Syd 16.11-107 v WCE 5.15-45
PA 16.8-104 v Bri 18.16-124
Sunday, April 13
Haw 17.12-114 v Ade 10.10-70
Car 17.9-111 v Col 13.10-88
Fre 10.13-73 v Rch 20.17-137

Round 5
Friday, April 18

StK 18.15-123 v Ess 14.3-87
Saturday, April 19
Gee 16.18-114 v Syd 10.12-72
Ade 12.16-88 v Fre 10.11-71
Bri 17.16-118 v Haw 19.16-130
Col 15.15-105 v NM 16.16-112
Sunday, April 20
Mel 9.14-68 v Car 15.11-101
WB 19.16-130 v Rch 20.10-130
WCE 16.8-104 v PA 19.14-128

Round 6
Friday, April 25

Col 23.16-154 v Ess 12.9-81
Fre 13.10-88 v Gee 13.11-89
Saturday, April 26
Car 11.15-81 v Ade 16.15-111
WB 20.14-134 v WCE 11.8-74
PA 12.10-82 v StK 9.7-61
Sunday, April 27
Bri 19.23-137 v Mel 13.7-85
NM 9.10-64 v Syd 8.16-64
Haw 14.22-106 v Rch 15.4-94

Round 7
Friday, May 2

WCE 10.14-74 v Car 17.9-111
Saturday, May 3
Gee 15.15-105 v Bri 11.12-78
Haw 24.10-154 v Col 13.11-89
Rch 16.11-107 v StK 17.8-110
Ade 15.17-107 v NM 11.8-74
Sunday, May 4
Syd 14.10-94 v WB 18.4-112
Mel 17.17-119 v Fre 15.23-113
Essendon v Port Adelaide, Dok, 4:40pm

150th Anniversary Match
Saturday, May 10
Victoria 21.11-137
v All-Stars 18.12-120

Round 8
Friday, May 16

StK 14.10-94 v Col 16.7-103
Saturday, May 17
Haw 17.15-117 v PA 15.12-102
Rch 10.9-69 v Gee 14.15-99
Car 12.20-92 v Bri 18.17-125
NM 13.11-89 v WCE 12.11-83
Sunday, May 18
Ade 22.18-150 v Mel 11.8-74
Syd 21.17-143 v Ess 7.10-52
Fre 17.9-111 v WB 17.12-114

Round 9
Friday, May 23

Col 20.14-134 v Gee 7.6-48
Saturday, May 24
Car 14.13-97 v Fre 14.4-88
PA 14.10-94 v Syd 16.9-105
Ess 10.12-72 v Rch 16.14-110
WCE 14.13-97 v Ade 5.17-47
Sunday, May 25
Bri 21.15-141 v StK 14.11-95
Mel 12.6-78 v Haw 14.13-97
WB 16.14-110 v NM 16.17-113

Round 10
Friday, May 30

Ade 9.20-74 v Ess 10.9-69
Saturday, May 31
Col 27.11-173 v WCE 10.13-73
Haw 12.2-74 v WB 15.16-106
Bri 18.21-129 v NM 15.8-98
Gee 19.19-133 v Car 12.5-77
Sunday, June 1
Syd 21.13-139 v Rch 8.9-57
StK 19.15-129 v Mel 7.8-50
Fre 10.15-75 v PA 16.17-105

Round 11
Friday, June 6

NM 17.12-114 v Gee 19.13-127
Saturday, June 7
Rch 14.12-96 v Ade 22.14-146
Ess 12.7-79 v Haw 19.16-130
WCE 11.12-78 v Syd 12.11-83
Sunday, June 8
Bri 14.12-96 v Fre 10.14-74
StK 11.13-79 v WB 15.16-106
PA 8.15-63 v Car 10.15-75
Monday, June 9
Mel 13.17-95 v Col 17.14-116

Round 12
Friday, June 13

Ess 16.17-113 v WCE 13.13-91
Saturday, June 14
WB 19.17-131 v Bri 10.8-68
Fre 18.12-120 v NM 9.13-67
Syd 14.18-102 v StK 9.13-67
Ade 10.12-72 v Haw 11.10-76
Sunday, June 15
Gee 15.18-108 v PA 7.7-49
Col 12.17-89 v Car 17.17-119
Rch 16.20-116 v Mel 14.10-94

Round 13
Friday, June 20

StK 10.5-65 v Fre 8.9-57
Saturday, June 21
Haw 10.16-76 v NM 15.13-103
PA 19.9-123 v Rch 20.7-127
Bri 11.17-83 v Ade 10.10-70
WCE 5.17-47 v Gee 28.14-182
Sunday, June 22
Mel 11.8-74 v Syd 17.12-114
Car 15.11-101 v Ess 20.16-136
Col 13.11-89 v WB 15.9-99

Round 14
Friday, June 27

Haw 18.18-126 v WCE 9.15-69
Saturday, June 28
Rch 12.16-88 v Car 17.16-118
NM 9.15-69 v StK 12.12-84
WB 20.15-135 v PA 11.15-81
Sunday, June 29
Mel 14.9-93 v Bri 13.14-92
Fre 13.13-91 v Ess 14.11-95

Friday, July 4
Ade 8.8-56 v Gee 18.16-124
Saturday, July 5
Syd 6.14-50 v Col 11.13-79

Round 15
Friday, July 11

Car 12.15-87 v StK 18.11-119
Saturday, July 12
Col 15.16-106 v Ade 11.8-74
Gee 18.10-118 v Fre 6.8-44
Ess 24.11-155 v Bri 18.10-118
PA 10.14-74 v NM 10.16-76
Sunday, July 13
Haw 15.16-106 v Syd 10.15-75
WB 14.11-95 v Mel 9.10-64
WCE 11.9-75 v Rch 24.8-152

Round 16
Friday, July 18

NM 17.12-114 v Col 14.12-96
Saturday, July 19
Gee 19.17-131 v WB 10.10-70
Rch 16.12-108 v Ess 15.14-104
Bri 17.11-113 v WCE 9.13-67
StK 18.11-119 v Haw 13.11-89
Sunday, July 20
Car 18.11-119 v Syd 18.13-121
PA 13.14-92 v Ade 11.14-80
Fre 16.18-114 v Mel 10.8-68

Round 17
Friday, July 25

Haw 11.11-77 v Gee 12.16-88
Saturday, July 26
Ess 19.14-128 v Col 11.14-80
WCE 15.13-103 v StK 12.14-86
Rch 18.9-117 v Bri 16.18-114
Syd 6.17-53 v Ade 11.11-77
Sunday, July 27
PA 15.11-101 v Fre 20.9-129
Mel 10.10-70 v NM 14.14-98
WB 15.8-98 v Car 18.18-126

Round 18
Friday, August 1

Col 8.14-62 v Haw 17.14-116
Saturday, August 2
Ess 19.10-124 v Mel 17.6-108
Ade 13.16-94 v Car 12.14-86
Gee 20.14-134 v Rch 10.11-71
NM 13.14-92 v Bri 11.18-84
Sunday, August 3
WB 17.11-113 v Syd 14.13-97
StK 14.17-101 v PA 14.9-93
Fre 17.14-116 v WCE 12.11-83

Round 19
Friday, August 8

Melbourne v Geelong, MCG(n), 7:05pm
Saturday, August 9
Carlton v Port Adelaide, Dok, 2:10pm
Hawthorn v Brisbane, YPL, 2:10pm
Coll'wood v St. Kilda, MCG(n), 7:10pm
Sydney v Fremantle, SCG(n), 7:10pm
Sunday, August 10
North Melb v West.B'dogs, Dok, 1:10pm
Adelaide v Richmond, FP, 3.10pm
West Coast v Essendon, Sub, 4:40pm

Round 20
Friday, August 15

Port Adel v Collingwood, FP(n), 7:40pm
Saturday, August 16
Essendon v Adelaide, Dok, 2:10pm
Melbourne v West Coast, MCG, 2:10pm
Brisbane v WB'dogs, BCG(n), 7:10pm
Sydney v Geelong, Hom(n), 7:10pm
Sunday, August 17
Richmond v Hawthorn, MCG, 1:10pm
Carlton v North Melb, Dok, 2:10pm
Fremantle v St. Kilda, Sub, 4:40pm

Round 21
Friday, August 22

WB'dogs v Essendon, Dok(n), 7:40pm
Saturday, August 23
Richmond v Fremantle, MCG,  2:10pm
Port Adelaide v Melbourne, FP, 2:40pm
Brisbane v Carlton, BCG(n), 7:10pm
Collingwood v Sydney, Dok(n), 7:10pm
Sunday, August 24
Geelong v North Melb, KP, 1:10pm
St. Kilda v Adelaide, Dok, 2:10pm
West Coast v Hawthorn, Sub, 4:40pm

Round 22
Friday, August 29

Fremantle v Collingwood, Sub(n), 8:40pm
Saturday, August 30
North Melb v Port Adel, MCG, 1:10pm
Geelong v West Coast, KP, 2:10pm
Adelaide v West.B'dogs, FP, 4:10pm
Carlton v Hawthorn, Dok(n), 7:10pm
Sydney v Brisbane, SCG(n), 7:10pm
Sunday, August 31
Melbourne v Richmond, MCG, 2:10pm
Essendon v St. Kilda, Dok, 4:40pm

Week 1, Sept 5-6-7
Week 2, Sept 12-13-14
Week 3, Sept 19-20
Week 4, September 27



Saturday, Feb 9
Col v Ade
Fri(N), Feb 15
StK v Rch
Sat, Feb 16
Gee v Mel
PA v Car
Ess v Bri
Sun, Feb 17
Haw v Syd
Fre v WCE 1..7.0.9-60

Fri(N), Feb 22
WB v Ess
Sat, Feb 23
StK v Gee
Haw 4.9.0-13–103 v Car–69
Sun, Feb 24
Ade v Fre

Fri(N), Feb 29
Ess v StK
Sat, March 1
Ade v Haw

Sat(N), March 8
Ade v StK



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 Wednesday, August 6
Current Ladder After Rnd 19 After Rnd 20 After Rnd 21 After Rnd 22 After
Rnd 22
Pos   Pts % Hi Lo Hi Lo Hi Lo Hi Lo Hi, R18=L Lo, R18=W
1 GEELONG 68 153.616 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 3 1 3
2 WEST.B'DOGS 58 122.757 2 3 2 3 1 3 1 5 1 3
3 HAWTHORN 56 125.626 2 3 2 3 1 3 1 6 1 3
4 SYDNEY 42 117.298 4 7 4 10 4 12 2 12 4 12
5 NORTH MELB 42 98.370 4 7 4 10 4 12 2 12 4 12
6 ADELAIDE 40 106.354 4 9 4 12 4 12 3 12 4 12
7 ST KILDA 40 101.077 4 9 4 12 4 12 3 12 4 12
8 COLLINGWOOD 36 109.438 6 10 4 12 4 12 4 14 4 12
9 Brisbane 36 104.545 6 10 4 12 4 12 4 14 4 12
10 Richmond 34 94.249 8 12 4 12 4 12 4 14 4 12
11 Carlton 32 95.742 9 12 6 12 4 14 4 14 4 13
12 Essendon 32 87.524 10 12 7 12 4 14 4 14 4 14
13 Fremantle 20 94.067 13 14 13 14 11 15 8 16 11 16
14 Port Adelaide 20 92.041 13 14 13 14 11 15 8 16 12 16
15 West Coast 12 67.364 15 16 15 16 13 16 13 16 13 16
16 Melbourne 8 65.907 15 16 15 16 14 16 13 16 14 16
This table takes into account ALL results (including draws), and the most likely scores of between 50 and 150.
With 32 matches to go there are 4,294,967,296 different possible win/loss outcomes,
or 1,853,020,188,851,841 if you include draws.


Run-Home & a possible scenario (key matches highlighted)
  Team Pts R19 R20 R21 R22 Pts Pos Comment
1 GEE 68 A v Mel 16
 (MCG) N
A v Syd 4
(Hom) N
H v NM 5
H v Wce 15
84 1 10 points clear - and still not at full strength with injuries and suspensions 
2 WB 58 A v NM 5
A v Bri 9
 (BCG) N
H v Ess 12
(Dok) N
A v Ade 6
74 2 A few tricky matches coming up - it would only take one loss to fall from 2nd to 3rd - but will play Hawthorn in the finals. 
3 HAW 56 H v Bri 9
A v Rch 10
A v Wce 15
A v Car 11
 (Dok) N
72 3 Will climb to 2nd if the Dogs slip up. The Coleman Medal could go down to the final game against Carlton  - 'Buddy' v 'Fev'
4 SYD 42 H v Fre 13
 (SCG) N
H v Gee 1
(Hom) N
A v Col 8
(Dok) N
H v Bri 9
50 5 Only one win in last 5 rounds - Its more than likely they will lose to Geelong and then Collingwood at the Dockland - their 4th place is looking decidedly shaky..
5 NM 42 H v WB 2
A v Car 11
A v Gee 1
H v PA 14
50 6 4 wins on the trot has put them level on points with Sydney.   A finals place is virtually assured, and a win against the Dogs could catapult them into the 4th.
6 ADE 40 H v Rch 10
A v Ess 12
A v StK 7
H v WB 2
44 8 Likely to continue their winning streak at home and lose the last 3 although it may be enough to hold onto a finals position.
7 STK 40 A v Col 8
A v Fre 13
H v Ade 6
H v Ess 12
56 4 Only one loss in the last 6 matches, and only 2 points behind Sydney . A win against Collingwood may set them up for a top four placing. 
8 COL 36 H v StK 7
A v PA 14
(FP) N
H v Syd 4
(Dok) N
A v Fre 14
(S) N
48 7 Just 2 wins from last 7 matches - and are a club in turmoil. Crucial games coming up against St Kilda and Sydney. Could be the difference between 4th and 8th.
9 BRI 36 A v Haw 3
H v WB 2
H v Car 11
A v Syd 4
40 10 Also 2 wins from last 7 matches - the loss against North may have cost them a finals place -they still have to play Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Sydney. 10 wins is not enough
10 RCH 34 A v Ade 6
H v Haw 3
H v Fre 13
A v Mel 16
42 9 Have to defeat Adelaide at Football Park to keep their finals dream alive - they still have an outside chance.  Another 9th placing is probably the more likely outcome.
11 CAR 32 H v PA 14
H v NM 5
A v Bri 8
 (BCG) N
H v Haw 3
 (Dok) N
36 12 With their run home its hard to imagine them winning more than two games. The Coleman Medal could go down to the final game against Hawthorn - 'Buddy' v 'Fev'
12 ESS 32 A v Wce 15
H v Ade 6
A v WB 2
(Dok) N
H v StK 7
40 11 Just one loss from their last 7 games, but will have to win all 4 games to even have an outside chance with their poor percentage.
13 FRE 20 A v Syd 4
H v StK 7
A v Rch 10
H v Col 8
(S) N
20 14 The Derby win has kept them 3 games clear of the wooden spoon. Unlikely to win another game, but could pick up one scalp along the way.
14 PA 20 A v Car 11
H v Col 8
(FP) N
H v Mel 16
A v NM 5
24 13 Just 2 wins from last 11 matches. Only likely win is their home game against Melbourne.
15 WCE 12 H v Ess 12
A v Mel 16
H v Haw 3
A v Gee 1
12 15 Must win against Essendon or Melbourne to avoid the wooden spoon. Only need to lose to the Demons by 19 points to fall to the bottom
16 MEL 8 H v Gee 1
H v Wce 15
A v PA 13
H v Rch 10
12 16 Only 1 game and about 6 goals behind West Coast.  They meet for the first time this season at the MCG.  May even fancy their chances in the last 2 games.

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Wednesday, August 6

Martin Windsor-Black
The Full Picture after Round 18 ...


Geelong have won six matches this year by winning all 4 quarters – just as Melbourne have lost six matches losing all 4 quarters.

When Geelong beat Melbourne in Round 3 the Cats won all 4 quarters by 6, 11, 7 and 6 points – a gallant effort by the Demons.

p Melbourne's sole 2nd quarter win this season has come at the expense of Hawthorn in Round 9.

p 27 of this years 144 matches have been decided by a team winning all 4 quarters (almost a fifth)

p Collingwood have won 16 of 18 second quarters – including the last 14 since Round 5 - Carlton was the last team to win a second quarter against the Magpies -
p Between 1914-R13 and 1915-R8, Collingwood won 13 consecutive second quarters.
p Between 1928-R8 and 1929-R7, Collingwood won 21 consecutive second quarters - including the drawn 1928 semi final against Melbourne, the subsequent replay and the Grand Final against Richmond.
p Collingwood won a total of 21 second quarters in 1977, 18 second quarters in 1928 and 1990, 17 second quarters in 1973 and 2007 and 16 second quarters in 1925, 1971, 1979, 1980 and so far in 2008*

p Here's a good indication of why the Lions have slipped out of the eight.
Brisbane's have won the least number of final quarters (5 of 18) – even less than Fremantle's 6. This is in contrast to Hawthorn's 14 final quarter wins at 154.9%

Home & Away and Top 8 v Bottom 8
Hawthorn and Brisbane meet in Launceston in Hawthorn's final home game of the season. 
Interestingly, Brisbane's home record has been the opposite of their away record
Brisbane's home record has been 7 wins 2 losses at 122.85%
Brisbane's away record has been 2 wins 7 losses at 89.60%
Sydney have only won one game against a side in the top 8 - they have one win and a draw from 9 matches.
The Bulldogs have won 7 of 9 against sides in the eight. Geelong are 6-1 and Hawthorn 6-4. Collingwood, North and Brisbane have each won 4 whilst St Kilda have won 3. 
The current top 4 (Geelong, Bulldogs, Hawthorn and Sydney) have 35 wins, 1 loss and a draw against sides in the bottom eight.
Richmond have won 8 of 9 against bottom sides, however only have one draw and 8 losses against the top sides.
Geelong's For – Against = +734
Melbourne's For – Against = -733
Carlton have beaten their 1995 home and away attendance record and are beating it by an average of 10,500 per game,  They require just 85,986 more to reach the million attendance milestone for the first time in their history. 
Collingwood are also on target to pass last years record attendance or 1,226,604 and are still averaging over 60,000 per game.
Hawthorn and Geelong are breaking their average attendance records and are on target to break their own club home and away attendance records (Hawthorn requiring just 16,387 more to pass their 2002 total and Geelong 68,698 more to pass their 1996 record)
The MCG Home and Away attendance has passed 2 million for only the 9th time in its history - however with only 7 more games scheduled at the home of football, it is unlikely that the record of 2,617,182 set a decade ago will be broken.  (There were 55 home and away matches at the MCG in 1998, In 2008 there will only be 46)   The average crowd attendance record of 48,126 set in 1995 will be broken if at least 200,000 attend the last 7 matches at the MCG
Collingwood  - Highest H&A Season attendances
1,226,604 - 2007 (av 55,755)
1,164,982 - 2006
1,119,886 - 2003
1,109,747 - 2002
1,102,988 - 1997
1,090,886* - 2008* (av 60,605) - almost 5,000 more per game
Carlton  - Highest H&A Season attendances
914,014* - 2008* (av 50,779) - 10,500 more per game
885,598 - 1995 (av 40,254)
881,195 - 2000
872,375 - 1997
864,753 - 2007
Hawthorn  - Highest H&A Season attendances
776,517 - 2002 (av 35,296)
769,659 - 2007
760,130* - 2008* (av 42,229) - 7,000 more per game
759,959 - 2001
735,157 - 2000
Geelong  - Highest H&A Season attendances
780,289 - 1996 (av 35,468)
762,050 - 2007
755,467 - 2005
717,101 - 1998
712,736 - 2006
711,591* - 2008* (av 39,533) - 4,000 more per game
700,019 - 1997
MCG  - Highest H&A Season attendances (2 million+)
2,617,182 - 1998 (av 47,585) - 55 matches
2,457,440 - 1999 (av 42,369) - 58 matches
2,406,331 - 1995 (av 48,126) - 50 matches
2,351,808 - 1996 (av 46,113) - 51 matches
2,304,865 - 1997 (av 43,488) - 53 matches
2,123,400 - 2007 (av 47,186) - 45 matches
2,086,712 - 2001 (av 47,425) - 44 matches
2,029,477 - 1994 (av 44,119) - 46 matches
2,013,912* - 2008* (av 51,639) - 39* matches
On the other side of the ledger Port Adelaide are having one of their worst attendances on record.  In fact the 2006, 2007 and 2008 seasons will be amongst the lowest 4 (the other being 2000)
Port Adelaide's lowest  H&A Season attendances -
462,496* - 2008* (av 25,694)
541,412 - 2000 (av 24,609)
586,332 - 2006 (av 26,651)
599,859 - 2007 (av 27,266)
606,279 - 2001 (av 27,558)
- Port's best H&A season attendance..
695,990 - 1997 (av 31,635) - 1st season
I found it intersting to compare Hawthorn's home attendances this year (total 419,803) with to the previous home and away figures (same home team, same away team, same state)
                             Comparison meeting
R1  Haw v Mel - MCG  40,141     43,197 (2007-R2-MCG)
R4  Haw v Ade - YPL   15,124      16,287 (2005-R15-YP)
R6  Haw v Rch - MCG  46,076     41,770 (2007-R15-MCG)
R7  Haw v Col - MCG  76,048      43,296 (2006-R2-Dok) - last MCG meeting was 2005-R10 Att: 49,927
R8  Haw v PA  - YPL   15,682      15,264 (2007-R20-YP)
R10 Haw v WB  - YPL   19,378     17,000* no previous meeting in Tasmania - use default of 17,000 for YPL
R13 Haw v NM  - MCG  42,508     23,722 (2005-R16-Dok) - last MCG meeting was 2004-R2 Att: 35,305
R14 Haw v WCE - MCG  29,138   21,989 (2006-R14-MCG)
R15 Haw v Syd - MCG  49,529     48,398 (2007-R11-MCG)
R17 Haw v Gee - MCG  86,179     28,188 (2006-R22-Dok) - last MCG meeting was 2002-R7 Att: 38,709
Total:   419,803     299,111 – difference =  120,692 (12,069 more per game)
R19 Haw v Bri - YPL – no previous meeting in Tas – use default of 17,000


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Wednesday, August 6

Michael Rogers
Is it time for a new ladder?

With the fact that Essendon's recent good form has only gained it one place on the ladder (13th-12th) I had a think about a way of reflecting true form on the ladder so that the most currently competitive would play in the finals.

I thought that this might be of interest to Footystats readers.

With an uneven draw more competitive teams can sometimes be disadvantaged in the race for the finals as wins over the bottom 4 teams give the same number of points as wins over the top 4 teams. Also as the season draws on teams in the best current form may miss the finals due to a slow start to the season while teams currently playing badly may still gain a finals berth leading to one sided match-ups in the finals.

What if after 11 rounds, 4 points for a win was dropped and the winner was awarded points depending on the current ladder position of their opponent? Beating the team on top of the ladder would earn you 16 points, winning over 2nd on the ladder 15 points and so on down to 1 point for beating the 16th placed team. (In the case of a draw each team would receive half the points had they won.)

Besides rewarding teams for defeating more worthy opponents it would lead to a much more dynamic and unpredictable ladder.

Below is a comparison of the current R18 ladder with one showings points gained by implementing the system outlined above. (Teams whose position has changed are colour coded.)

Rd 18 Ladder old style   Rd 18 ladder new style
Gee 68 153.6 1 Gee 94 153.6
WB 58 122.8 2 Haw 76 125.6
Haw 56 125.6 3 WB 74 122.8
Syd 42 117.3 4 StK 64 101.1
NM 42 98.4 5 NM 61 98.4
Ade 40 106.4 6 Ade 56 106.4
StK 40 101.1 7 Car 51 95.7
Col 36 109.4 8 Ess 51 87.5
Bri 36 104.5 9 Col 47 109.4
Rch 34 94.2 10 Syd 46 117.3
Car 32 95.7 11 Bri 41 104.5
Ess 32 87.5 12 Rch 41 94.2
Fre 20 94.1 13 Fre 23 94.1
PA 20 92 14 PA 22 92
WC 12 67.4 15 WC 18 67.4
Mel 8 65.9 16 Mel 17 65.9

1993 perhaps provides one of the most stark comparisons of the 4 points for every win vs. a "points for difficulty" approach. The comparison is between Geelong and Nth. Melbourne, that year.

The tables below show each team's record for the  last 5 games of the season, showing the ladder position of their opponent at the time of the match plus a mini ladder with wins and percentage.

It's fairly obvious who at this stage was in form and who was not.

       Win        Loss
Geelong Cwd 5th NM 2nd Haw 1st Ess 1st WC 4th
Nth. Melb StK 12th Gee 9th Ric 13th Syd 15th WB 10th


  W L D For Agst %
Geelong 5 0 0 645 409 157.7
Nth Melb 2 3 0 580 595 97.5

North finished officially third at the end of the season and Geelong 7th, thus missing the finals. But the comparison ladders below show that things could have been very different if match points had been awarded depending on the relative positionof your opponent. (Adelaide is also replaced in the final 6.)

1993 Ladder old style   1993  ladder new style
Ess 54 119.1 1 Gee 93 111.6
Car 54 117.6 2 Ess 70 119.1
NM 52 120.8 3 Car 62 117.6
Haw 52 116.6 4 Haw 57 116.6
Ade 48 117.8 5 WC 57 115.8
WC 48 115.8 6 WB 57 99.0
Gee 48 111.6 7 StK 57 94.2
Col 44 101.3 8 Ade 55 117.8
WB 44 99.0 9 NM 49 120.8
Mel 40 112.2 10 Col 48 101.3
Fit 40 99.5 11 Mel 45 112.2
StK 40 94.2 12 Fit 38 99.5
Bri 16 75.3 13 Rch 16 70.7
Rch 16 70.7 14 Bri 15 75.3
Syd 4 63.3 15 Syd 4 63.3

North went on to lose the Elimination Final to West Coast by 51 points.

Might not Malcolm Blight's enigmatic Cats made a better (and more entertaining) final's performer?

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Friday, August 1

Christian Brunn
Making the finals – 8th and 9th places

Regular Footystats reader Christian Brunn lives in the northern part of our planet, in Bielefeld, and to be exact that is in the north-east of Germany in the North Rhine-Westphalia area on the slopes of the Teutoburg Forest.

With only five rounds left of the season, the chart prepared by Christian shows that since the final 8 came into being in 1994 the lowest number of points required to make the last place for the finals was the 40 achieved by Brisbane in 1995 when they won 10 of their 22 matches.

What will be the minimum number of points this season?


Final 8






1994 8 22 15 Collingwood 48 Richmond 48  
1995 8 22 16 Brisbane 40 Melbourne 36  
1996 8 22 16 Hawthorn 46 Richmond 44  
1997 8 22 16 Brisbane 42 Port Adelaide 42  
1998 8 22 16 Essendon 48 Richmond 48  
1999 8 22 16 Sydney 44 Hawthorn 42  
2000 8 22 16 Hawthorn 48 Richmond 44  
2001 8 22 16 Adelaide 48 Collingwood 44  
2002 8 22 16 West Coast 44 Geelong 44  
2003 8 22 16 Essendon 52 Hawthorn 48  
2004 8 22 16 Essendon 48 Fremantle 44  
2005 8 22 16 Port Adelaide 46 West.B'dogs 44  
2006 8 22 16 West.B'dogs 52 Richmond 44  
2007 8 22 16 Adelaide 48 St Kilda 46  
2008 8 22 16




        Essendon 3 times Richmond 5 times  
        Adelaide 2 Hawthorn 2  
        Brisbane 2 Collingwood 1  
        Hawthorn 2 Fremantle 1  
        Collingwood 1 Geelong 1  
        Port Adelaide 1 Melbourne 1  
        Sydney 1 Port Adelaide 1  
        West Coast 1 St Kilda 1  
        West.B'dogs 1 West.B'dogs 1  
        1931 – Final 4   Lower than 48pts    
        1972 – Final 5   to reach finals    
        1991 – Final 6   since 1931    
        1994 – Final 8   1937 – 46 – Rch    
            1940 – 44 – Gee    
            1943 – 40 – Car    
            1950 – 40 – Gee    
            1954 – 44 – Mel    
            1956 – 44 – Fsc    
            1957 – 44 – Car    
            1958 – 44 – NM    
            1959 – 44 – Ess    
            1960 – 44 – Col    
            1961 – 44 – Fsc    
            1976 – 46 – Fsc    
            1984 – 44 – Fit    


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